[HPforGrownups] Re: Sportsmanship/legitimacy

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 151979

Alla:

Well, they DID care about getting points in the game, didn't they?

Magpie:
Of course they cared about getting points in the game--so did Harry.  But 
that they hold getting points in the game over the lives of innocent people 
is a slur I don't think is fair to just assume they deserve because there's 
no story of them saving all the hostages.

Alla:
Cedric is a great kid. great kids make mistakes too.
 I think that it is even better that I can view Cedric
as not all together perfect, but someone who become a bit too
involved in the game at that point OR of course maybe he did knew
that hostages were not in danger.

Magpie:
If you assume he thought the hostages were in danger then I think you've 
gone far past a kid who's too involved in a game.  You've just said he made 
the choice to leave people to die because he had a medal to win.  I don't 
think we ought to be having to make excuses for Cedric as if he didn't live 
up to Harry's great example, which was a mistake I believe Harry himself, in 
retrospect, feels stupid for making (though Harry has good reason for 
personally thinking along these lines in ways Cedric doesn't).  There's no 
reason this question of people dying ever had to have entered anyone's mind.

Alla:
And yes, he helped Harry after Harry helped him. They certainly
helped each other plenty, poor guys.

Magpie:
So if he's willing to help his rival, be a good sport about sharing the 
championship, doesn't feel right taking credit for winning a Quidditch game 
when the other Seeker's unconscious and iirc would have let Harry take the 
cup alone.  Where is Cedric the cold-blooded psycho who would let a child 
die because he got too involved in his points?

Alla:
Cedric knows what fair play is, but I do think that it is totally
possible that in this task he lost to Harry on "moral fiber" part of
evaluation.

Magpie:
Which is proving what's unfair about Harry's moral fibre evaluation. 
Canonically this is a test of courage whether or not you can get your 
"prize" away from the merpeople and back to shore.  Harry is wrong in 
thinking there are lives at stake and comes in last because of that.  Now, 
in order to defend the points he's given a shadow has to be cast on Cedric's 
character.  Suddenly he's the guy who doesn't care if people die.

Alla:
Does not make him a bad person to me at all.

Magpie:
It makes him a far worse person than Harry and a person who would let 
someone die if saving them would interfere with his winning a race, which is 
not something he deserves to be called, imo, just for participating in a 
contest as expected.  Cedric not thinking of everyone else getting their 
hostages says nothing about his character *unless* he thinks those hostages 
will die if they aren't saved. Then it says he's kinda crazy.

-m






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