SHIP Harry/Ginny (was:CHPDISC: HBP14, Felix Felicis)

[Ceridwen]

No: HPFGUIDX 151990

Inufan625:
> If Ginny is to be faulted for going out with Micheal and Dean then 
you
> must place the same title upon Hermione for accepting a date with
> McClaggen. It is made more than clear that she only chooses him 
because
>  she knew he was the best canidate to use in her attempt to upset 
Ron.
> Then you must also say the same about Ron himself who clearly only
> went out with Lavender because he was upset about Hermione and Krum.

Ceridwen:
I'm not so sure that Ron only went out with Lavender because he was 
upset about the Krum kiss.  She apparently flattered him, and most 
people can be swayed, at least for a little while, by goo-goo eyes 
and complete worship.  But, for Hermione, yes, I do think she was 
getting back at Ron and had no feelings for McClaggen, which is 
definitely cold and calculating.

Inufan625:
> By your standards Harry is the only one who is not cold and 
calculating
>  when it comes to dating. What's more how are we to know that Ginny
> was not sincere in her attempt to get over Harry. Her addmission at
> the funeral is nothing more than that it didn't work, that she
> continued to like him in spite of her attempts to move past her 
crush.

Ceridwen:
Ginny didn't say she was trying to move past her crush.  She says she 
never gave up hoping for him.

*(snip)*
> Honestly I don't see why people give Ginny such a hard time. She is 
a 14-15 yo girl, full of hormones and despite outward appearances she
> also has her insecurities. Yes she often acts rashly and with great
> temper and yes sometimes her jokes are a bit unkind and her actions
> not what one would call acceptable, but every character in the books
> has had moment like those. Luna even remarks that Ron can be unkind.

Ceridwen:
I think Ginny acted like a lot of girls I went to high school with.  
There was plenty of settling for lesser guys because the object of 
affections was with someone else, or hadn't noticed the hopeful girl 
was alive.  And Hermione's advice sounded eerily like the advice my 
mother and my friends' mothers used to give.  Though I think Hermione 
didn't mean for Ginny to really forget about Harry and find solace 
with someone else, as mothers tend to do.  As you said in the part I 
snipped, it was their plan - a plot, a scheme, a contrivance - to 
make Harry notice her in the end.

While it's something I can visualize a 15 year old girl doing, it 
still isn't nice.  The girls who do these sorts of things aren't mean 
girls ordinarily, and they'd probably be surprised if you told them 
they were being mean.  But is it really nice to the guys they're 
dating?  No, not dating, going steady with.  Seeing.  Exclusively.

As for Hermione, she was worse.  It was a one-shot deal, thanks for 
the evening, sucker.  And even she probably didn't think about how 
McClaggen would take it, any more than she thought about how the 
centaurs would like being used as weapons against Umbridge.  But we 
weren't talking about Hermione.  If Hermione jumps off a cliff, 
should Ginny do the same before we can talk about the character and 
the part of the plot built around her?

Ceridwen.