Calling Tonks Nymphadora, and Snape's button pushing in general

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No: HPFGUIDX 152132

> Sherry now:
> 
> > But we are led to believe that love is the most important 
> > thing, the power the "dark Lord knows not".  I can't see 
> > her love as a weakness.
> 
> houyhnhnm:
> 
> I don't think Dumbledore (or Rowling) was talking about that kind of 
> love.  I don't mean that conjugal or erotic love cannot be a 
> manifestation of the kind of love studied in the locked room.  But 
not 
> unrequited love, surely.  I mean is it really love or is it just 
> wanting something, something that the other person doesn't want to 
> give.  I think it is giving-love, not getting-love that is the power 
> the "dark lord knows not".
>

Alla:

I think Dumbledore ( or Rowling) is talking about love in general. I 
don't think that they are talking ONLY about erotic love, but I don't 
think that erotic love is excluded. It is love in all varieties, which 
Dark Lord knows not IMO.

Positive love of course , but IMO erotic love is included, just as 
love of the parents, love of the friends, sacrificial love, etc.

So, no, I don't see Tonks love as her weakness at all. 
Misunderstandings which were in the way between her and Remus that 
stopped them from expressing their love THAT what weakened her, IMO.

I would agree with you that unrequited love is excluded from this, but 
Tonk's love is not unrequited, IMO. That was Remus convicing himself 
that he does not deserve to love and to be loved, NOT Remus not having 
feelings for Tonks.

> Pippin:
> I think JKR considers Ginny's method of dealing with unrequited love 
far
> better than Tonks's. It was when Ginny was pining for Harry and 
feeling
> depressed and unworthy that she became vulnerable to Riddle.
>
Alla:

Um, I don't think Tonks was dealing at all, I think she was just 
suffering. So, not sure about comparing methods and not sure about 
Ginny's method being the perfect one either.

> > Joe:
> >   Sirius spent years in prison for the deaths of James and Lilly 
> suffering from the horrid effects of the dementors only to escape 
and 
> find out that his worst enemy(Snape) who was directly responsible 
for 
> Voldemort knowing that Harry might be his undoing is not being 
punished 
> for it but instead was protected from going to Azkaban by 
Dumbledore. 
> Then Snape has been allowed to treat Harry terribly while teaching 
at 
> Hogwarts.
> 
> zgirnius:
> Are you saying Sirius KNEW Snape was responsible? I doubt this, I 
think 
> the prophecy and the circumstances around it are a secret known only 
to 
> Dumbledore and Snape.
> 
> Also, why do you say Snape is Sirius's worst enemy? Why would 
Sirius, 
> fresh from Azkaban, see Snape in this way?
>

Alla:

I have always said that Sirius "serves him right" may hide MUCH more 
than school bullying and many not good things that Snape had done to 
them. What it hides we of course don't know.

But of course what do I know. :)

Also, the fact that JKR called Sirius and Snape loathing "mutual" 
hints at that too, IMO.

As to whether Sirius knew or not - he may have been, or at least there 
is no direct rebuttal of that in canon, no?

That is of course only IF Snape tried to talk to James about not 
trusting Sirius, I speculate that James would have figured out that 
Snape is the one who slipped the prophecy to Voldemort in the first 
place and then tried to do something about it, maybe. I would think 
James shared it with Sirius. Speculating only of course.


Alla,

hoping that Remus and Tonks will have many "multicolored cubs" ( love 
that expression) in the epilogue and Harry will get to babysit and 
Snape if alive will get an Azkaban cell for life and never inflicts 
himself on children again.