Ginny Haters

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No: HPFGUIDX 152159

> >>Nick:
> Look at all this hate for Ginny!  In my view, Ginny only takes out 
> her anger on people who deserve it.

Betsy Hp:
But it doesn't help anything when she does so.  In fact, Ginny's 
actions only hurt those she cares for.  So, while Ginny may believe 
(and others may agree) that she's only being cruel to those who 
deserve it, she's actually making life that much more difficult for 
those she claims to care for.  Which is why I see her anger as a 
problem.

> >>Nick:
> Ron had no business telling her off and (stopping just short of)   
> calling her a slut.

Betsy Hp:
Ron had every right.  He's her older brother, and she was putting 
herself into a position to earn those sort of nicknames.  It was his 
duty as the elder sibling to call her on her behavior.  (And the 
fight that came of it struck me as a very accurate depiction of 
those sort of sibling fights.  No one looks good in the middle of 
such things.)  

> >>Nick:
> Zacharias Smith had no business questioning her inclusion on the   
> team and calling it favoritism.

> >>Ceridwen:
> <snip>
> Zacharias Smith has every right to question her inclusion.
> <snip>

> >>Ginger:
> Are you saying the Zach had the "right" to his opinion (agreed
> there) and to express that opinion in a public forum where he was,
> theoretically, supposed to be commentating in an unbiased manner?
> <snip>

Ceridwen:
> I went a bit off the deep end, I think.
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I'm going to go with "off the deep end"!Ceridwen here. <g>  I *do* 
think Zacharias had a right to express his opinion while 
commenting.  Especially in the *way* he expressed those opinions.  
IIRC, he merely suggested that it was suggestive that Harry had put 
so many close friends on his team.  There's a reason McGonagall 
didn't call Zacharias on his commenting (unlike say, Lee Jordan).  
He was walking a fine line, but he was careful.  Sure, it upset 
Harry, but thems the breaks.

I *was* surprised that it upset Ginny so much, frankly.  She proved 
Zacharias wrong from the get go, and he shut up pretty quickly into 
the game.  That she held onto her anger so tightly that it outlasted 
a game in which she played well, and that she expressed it in such a 
destructive manner (the Slytherins *never* attacked Lee Jordan, and 
he was *very* biased at times) suggests that Ginny has some major 
issues going on.  At least, IMO.

(I've long thought that her strange attack against Zacharias on the 
train was because Ginny was embarrassed about having so little 
knowledge of what actually went down at the DoM.  Harry and Neville 
were the only real eye-witnesses among the DA members.  That might 
have bothered Ginny for some reason.) 

> >>Nick:
> Also let's not forget the haughty disdainful Fleur of GOF 
> in deciding whether the chicken of Ginny's dislike came before the 
> egg of Fleur's attitude.

Betsy Hp:
What I remember from GoF was that Fleur has a little sister whom she 
loves very much.  Which suggests to me that Fleur *does* know how to 
treat younger girls.  So I suspect Fleur is doing a bit of tit for 
tat in her attitude towards Ginny.  Though again, there's no 
definitive canon either way.

However, Ginny is *wrong* about Fleur, as we see at the end of HBP.  
So this is yet another example of Ginny's anger not only being 
directed at someone who does *not* deserve it, but also hurting 
those she loves.  Bill would have probably appreciated a little help 
in welcoming Fleur into the fold.  (Though he seemed quietly amused 
at his families antics, so I'm sure he had an idea of what to 
expect. <g>)

> >>Nick:
> Additionally, we know for a fact that she sticks up for Luna.

Betsy Hp:
Actually, we don't.  We know Ginny likes Luna.  But where was 
Ginny's anger of Justice when Luna's stuff was stolen?  That's what 
I meant about JKR not giving us a clear case of Ginny's "righteous" 
anger.  Instead Ginny has just seemed, well, angry.

> >>Nick:
> She's an instrument of Justice; if you mess with Ginny, you reap   
> what you sow.

Betsy Hp:
Yeah, a whiny fifteen year old teeny-bopper.  Hee!  Sorry, couldn't 
resist. <G>

> >>Nick:
> As for making fun of Ron, he's her BROTHER.  Do any of you have 
> siblings? 

Betsy Hp:
I do.  And if either of my younger sisters had treated me as Ginny 
treated Ron there'd have been sooo much hell to pay.  Ron is a 
better person than me, I guess.

> >>Nick:
> I hate to break it to everyone, but we're supposed to LIKE Ginny.  
> We're supposed to laugh at her jokes.  We're supposed to approve   
> of her behavior.

Betsy Hp:
Why?

> >>Nick:
> I, for one, think she's hilarious, ballsy, vivacious, and probably 
> extremely hot.  Harry deserves no less.   
> Do y'all have bad experiences with these types of people?  

Betsy Hp:
Heh.  I *was* that type of person for a while.  Totally proud of my 
temper, etc.  I was also going through a pretty dark time (on top of 
the usual "teenager" stuff) and fortunately worked my way through 
it.  And once my head was on a little straighter I realized that my 
temper was actually a massive weakness and worked to change that 
too.  IOWs, I grew up.  So I have no doubt Ginny can do the same.  I 
just hope she does.  Because Harry deserves no less. <G>

Betsy Hp