Ginny/possession

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No: HPFGUIDX 152215

> > Alla:
> > 
> > No memory gaps = no possession? Hmmm, I am afraid poor Ginny is 
NOT 
> > an expert on all the ways person could have been possessed, 
> > including herself.
> > 
> > Just ask Harry if he has any trouble remembering anything that 
had 
> > happened to him while he was possessed at MOM? You DO agree that 
he 
> > was possessed?
> 
> Pippin:
> Yes, he was possessed -- and horribly, dreadfully aware of it. Show
> me some canon that Voldemort can possess people,  allow them to
> be aware of what they are doing, and yet not be aware that they 
are 
> possessed. 

Alla:

You argued that " no memory gaps equals no possession". Harry did 
NOT have memory blanks and he WAS possessed. What I am saying that 
the fact that Ginny remembers what happened does not preclude the 
possibility that Riddle was still in her head, just more quiet if it 
makes sense. Riddle was pouring the parts of himself in Ginny BEFORE 
she disposed of the diary. Are you saying that when she disposed of 
the diary Riddle took those parts of himself BACK? It does not make 
sense to me, sorry.



> Pippin:
> I'm not talking about who should be punished. Punishment can be
> counterproductive -- it was Ginny's fear of punishment that kept
> her from trying to get help. You're saying Ginny's only mistake 
was 
> to trust the book. I'm saying she made a further mistake in trying 
to 
> cover up what was happening to her when she stopped trusting it. 

Alla:


Right, I understand that this is your POV. 


Pippin: 
> That *was* signing up for murder--she knew
> that the attacks were no joke.  Like Draco, she was only fortunate 
> that no one was killed.

Alla:

IMO, Pippin she was a zomby most of the time and when she was not 
full zomby, she was still carrying Tommy in her head, so if somebody 
WAS killed, I would not think that this was her fault at all.


Pippin:
<SNIP>
 I think Dumbledore's mercy helped her to 
> understand that she made a bad choice, just as it helped Draco to 
> understand that his choices were wrong.

Alla:

Well, here we disagree. I don't think she NEEDED mercy. I think she 
needed help. But sure Dumbledore showed mercy to Draco. Let's just 
hope it was not in vain.

JMO,

Alla