Ginny Haters

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No: HPFGUIDX 152219

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "horridporrid03"
<horridporrid03 at ...> wrote:

> Betsy Hp:
> Ron had every right.  He's her older brother, and she was putting 
> herself into a position to earn those sort of nicknames.  It was his 
> duty as the elder sibling to call her on her behavior.  (And the 
> fight that came of it struck me as a very accurate depiction of 
> those sort of sibling fights.  No one looks good in the middle of 
> such things.)  

????? What behaviour? Having a couple of boyfriends at the appropriate
age for discovering boys? One at the time, finishing one relation
before having another. Nothing wrong or strange there. The only person
who had issues was Ron himself, which had a lot more to do with him
not being popular with the girls. 

Besides, the idea that elder brothers are somehow responsible and
justified to control their younger sibblings behaviour is
reprehensible. Reminds me of those honour killings we see now when sis
has a non-muslim boyfriend. 
> 

> However, Ginny is *wrong* about Fleur, as we see at the end of HBP.  
> So this is yet another example of Ginny's anger not only being 
> directed at someone who does *not* deserve it, but also hurting 
> those she loves.

Well, Fleur may truly love Bill but she was a a very annoying and
condescending houseguest. Bill would not have needed help if Fleur had
shown normal manners and a bit ogf politeness instead of being
arrogant and condescending towards her future husband's family. This
is not a family that is set against strangers. I'm sure they were
fully prepared to love Fleur, yet Fleur is not really very lovable in
what we see from her in the book. 

> Betsy Hp:
> Actually, we don't.  We know Ginny likes Luna.  But where was 
> Ginny's anger of Justice when Luna's stuff was stolen?  That's what 
> I meant about JKR not giving us a clear case of Ginny's "righteous" 
> anger.  

Does Ginny even know? Luna is a Ravenclaw and her things were stolen
from her by her housemates. Ginny and Luna only become better aquinted
after the MoM battle as I remember correctly. Before that she is just
a girl in Ginny's herbology class. 

> Betsy Hp:
> I do.  And if either of my younger sisters had treated me as Ginny 
> treated Ron there'd have been sooo much hell to pay.  Ron is a 
> better person than me, I guess.

Well, if I would have had an older brother like Ron I would have
treated him much worse than Ginny. He was awful, patriarchal, and
behaving like he belonged in the Victorian age. He needed his
commupance and needed it badly. 

And it was all over when he finally had his own girlfriend. We don't
find Ron mentioning Ginny havin extensive snogging sessions in the
common room, yet guess who does...
> 
> > >>Nick:
> > I hate to break it to everyone, but we're supposed to LIKE Ginny.  
> > We're supposed to laugh at her jokes.  We're supposed to approve   
> > of her behavior.
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Why?

Because she is a very likable popular girl. 

> Betsy Hp:
> Heh.  I *was* that type of person for a while.  Totally proud of my 
> temper, etc.  I was also going through a pretty dark time (on top of 
> the usual "teenager" stuff) and fortunately worked my way through 
> it.  And once my head was on a little straighter I realized that my 
> temper was actually a massive weakness and worked to change that 
> too.  IOWs, I grew up.  So I have no doubt Ginny can do the same.  I 
> just hope she does.  Because Harry deserves no less. <G>

Hm, I guess your view of Ginny is very different from what I read from
the books. With respect, I don't think you were like Ginny. Because
what you describe is not like Ginny at all. 

Gerry