Draco's Plot (was: Re: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco)

[horridporrid03]

No: HPFGUIDX 152241

> >>Carol:
> > > You still haven't answered my question of whether 1) Voldemort
> > > recruited Draco, gave him the seemingly impossible assignment 
> > > of killing DD, and Draco piped up with, "Oh, yeah! I have just 
> > > the way!" or, 2) Draco went to him with *no* plan, Voldemort   
> > > assigned him to kill DD, and Draco piped up with, "Oh, yeah! I 
> > > have just the way!" or 3) Draco went to LV *with* a plan,     
> > > which Voldemort then converted to his own use, reocognizing it 
> > > as a perfect opportunity to make sure that DD was killed if   
> > > the plan succeeded, but also indicating that he wanted DD dead 
> > > regardless.

> >>Magpie:
> > Nevertheless 1) / 2) is what we are told in canon. 3) is not. No 
> > one in canon questions the feasibility of 1/2.
> > <snip>

> >>Carol:
> Problem: 1) and 2) are contradictory and cannot both be true.

Betsy Hp:
They can't both be true, but they're both reasonable guesses based 
on canon. While (3) is unreasonable and seems to be drawn from a lot 
of imagination and much twisting of canon, IMO.  And yes, that's all 
based on Spinner's End.  Where yes, there were lies told, but a lot 
of truth as well.  (Though I think the stuff on the tower backs up 
the possibility of the first two choices, and again, negates the 
third.)

Honestly, I find the idea of Draco approaching Voldemort on his own 
quite ridiculous (which knocks out both 2 & 3).  How on earth is 
Draco supposed to *find* Voldemort?  His mother certainly isn't 
going to tell him.  And if his Aunt had brought Draco to Voldemort 
at Draco's urging, Narcissa would have killed Bellatrix.  We see in 
Spinner's End that Narcissa values her son and her husband above her 
sister.  And that she does *not* want her son receiving any sort of 
attention from Voldemort.

I also question the supposition that Draco had the Vanishing Cabinet 
plan in mind from the moment of recieving the assignment.  Why on 
earth would he wait an entire summer before approaching Borgin about 
how to fix the cabinet?  For that matter, why would he wait (and why 
would Voldemort *let him wait*) to prevent Borgin from selling the 
Cabinet in the store?

For that matter, it doesn't make sense that Draco knew about the 
Cabinets until the summer.  Montague wasn't talking when he first 
came out of the cabinet.  And he was whisked off campus before he 
made a recovery.

> >>Carol:
> You're taking what is said by the adults in "Spinner's End" to be
> fact, but aside from Snape's tendency to omit information and      
> speak in half truths, none of the characters present knows the    
> whole story.
> <snip>
> They are all *assuming* that Voldemort is punishing Lucius...
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
I disagree.  I think Snape knows exactly how Voldemort feels about 
Lucius.  For one, we know that Snape must have witnessed Voldemort's 
rage when he realized Lucius had allowed one of his horcruxes to be 
destroyed (unless Dumbledore has *another* spy amongst the Death 
Eaters).  For another, Snape says he tried to talk Voldemort out of 
giving Draco the assignment, but that Voldemort was too eager to see 
Lucius punished.

I also feel that it's fairly obvious that Narcissa runs to Snape 
pretty much the moment she realizes what Draco's been told to do.  
So Snape knowing about the assignment before she arrives suggests 
that Voldemort had the assignment in mind before giving it to 
Draco.  IOWs, as Magpie said, Voldemort is the man with the plan.)

Of course, Snape could be lying about having any such conversation, 
but both Narcissa and Bellatrix believe him.  Which suggests that 
Snape at least has Voldemort's character pegged: Lucius has failed 
him twice; Lucius will pay.  Though honestly I think it makes more 
sense to see this tidbit of information as truthful.

> >>Carol:
> If all LV needed to kill Dumbledore was Snape, as you imply,       
> Dumbledore would have been dead years earlier (assuming ESE!      
> Snape).
> <snip>

Betsy Hp:
Before going after the Potters, Voldemort doesn't need Dumbledore 
dead.  Voldemort was winning.  After killing Lily, Voldemort 
*couldn't* order Dumbledore's death, being vapor!Mort at that time.  
After GoF Voldemort was trying to lie low and keep his return a 
secret.  The moment Voldemort starts going all out, he cooks up a 
plan to kill Dumbledore, and Snape is the assassin.  Draco is a 
distraction and a nicely cruel way to punish a naughty Death Eater.

I agree with Magpie, there doesn't seem to be any point to getting 
the Death Eaters into Hogwarts except as backup for Draco.  Probably 
why Voldemort sent in his brute squad sort.  They too, were cannon 
fodder.

Betsy Hp