[HPforGrownups] Re: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco

[elfundeb]

No: HPFGUIDX 152250

Pippin wrote: Draco wasn't in charge of his assistants  or he would have
known Fenrir
was coming.  Since Draco didn't go to Hogsmeade, someone else had to
have put Rosmera under the Imperius curse. All this suggests that someone
other than Draco was in charge of the operation.

Debbie:
Perhaps I misspoke; my point was that Draco was in charge of the plan
insofar as it involved the Vanishing Cabinets.  As he says to Snape, he was
*given* a job, but he *had* a plan.  His plan was to get the DEs into
Hogwarts; it wasn't his idea to set off the Dark Mark ("We decided to set
the Dark Mark over the Tower"), though that was a last-minute impovisation
necessitated by Dumbledore's absence from the school.  Draco was not "in
charge" of his assistants once they arrived, but they knew their roles:
they were to protect Draco and leave Dumbledore's murder to him.  And, of
course, they were supposed to leave Harry alone, but I assume that is a
standing order from Voldemort.

We have no way of knowing whether Draco lied about whether Fenrir was
included on the Hogwarts invitation list or not.  I tend to think that
Fenrir invited himself along to snack on some human flesh.  Draco was
evidently terrified of Fenrir, and so would not have made a fuss.  He
doesn't seem to be the sort of person one would ordinarily put on a team to
provide cover.  He doesn't use any spells on anyone while at Hogwarts; he's
there for "the throats to be ripped out. . . delicious, delicious."  In
fact, when he attacks Harry, he makes himself an easy mark and he's lucky
that the Order's idea of a potent curse is Petrificus Totalis.  Fenrir is
OFH! and he's too frightening and too disgusting for anyone to cross him.
(IIRC, Voldemort recruited *him* as an ally, and not vice versa.)

In any event, Fenrir was involved in the plan from the beginning:  his job
was to keep an eye on Mr Borgin to make sure he kept his mouth shut about
the cabinets.  Fenrir was the logical person for this job, since he
evidently had a sufficient history of enjoying the pleasures of the flesh
outside of his monthly transformations that the very mention of his name
(along with the Dark Mark) was enough for Borgin to assure Draco that visits
from Fenrir would not be necessary.

Bottom line, Fenrir is OFH! and he's too frightening and too disgusting for
anyone to cross him.  (IIRC, Voldemort recruited *him* as an ally, and not
vice versa.)

Pippin:
I'd guess the cabinets were part of the plan from the beginning. The first
thing Draco does is ask Borgin for advice on how
to fix the cabinet, and threaten him to make sure he doesn't sell the other
one. The necklace and the mead are obtained later.

Debbie:
Certainly it was part of Draco's plan early on, but there's no canon on
whether Voldemort knew about it, only inferences.  We don't even know if
Voldemort knew Draco intended to breach Hogwarts' security measures as part
of his plan.  Since Lucius was well acquainted with many DEs (Draco tells Mr
Burgin that Fenrir is a family friend), Draco may have had the contacts to
do the recruiting himself.  Certainly it was clear that Draco wanted his
plan kept quiet.  His main concern was to keep Snape in the dark, but it
seems to me that Draco wanted to unveil his plan only after it was
successful.

Pippin:
It could be that Voldemort
first ordered Draco to find a way to get DE's into Hogwarts, and when, to
his
astonishment, Draco produced one, he then involved Draco in the plot.
Voldemort did not have Draco trained in killing, which shows that he
never seriously expected Draco to kill. But getting the DE's into Hogwarts
was obviously very important to him, and seems to me to have been
aimed at getting Snape to burn his bridges.

Debbie:
The idea that Voldemort ordered Draco to get the DEs into Hogwarts,
something no one else had figured out how to do, and Draco conveniently had
a solution with a broken cabinet as the only obstacle, is  too
convenient for my taste.

Your second thought makes much more sense to me; he wanted Dumbledore dead,
and Snape himself expected that Voldemort intended him to do it in the end,
thus removing Snape permanently from the soft Hogwarts environment, so he
set Draco a task he doubted Draco could do.

The bottom line is that there is very little in the way of uncontroverted
facts, and no obvious way of interpreting the slender clues we do have.
Everyone's filled in the gaps differently, and none of the scenarios are
controverted by canon, and we may never learn which one JKR had in mind,
which makes us all right.

Debbie
very tired now and probably rambling


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