Voldemort's Plan for Draco ... (wasRe: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 152263

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "festuco" <vuurdame at ...> wrote:
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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Magpie" <belviso@> wrote:
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> > Magpie:
> > Which is exactly what the plan is supposed to be, as we are 
> > told in canon.  It is not supposed to be a success. Voldemort's 
> > plan is for Draco to die, not for Dumbledore to die at the hand
> > of Draco. There is not "an element"  of vengeance, the plan is 
> >about vengeance.
> 
> Gerry
> Are we told that? Or is that Narcissa who is desperate for her
> little boy? Does Narcissa even know that Draco has found a way 
> into Hogwarts?
>
> ...I think it would have come up in the conversation at Spinner's
> End. ... we are all  supposed to think ... LV revenging himself 
> on Lucius. But what if ... this is the first time LV can get
> somebody ... in DD's proximity for a prolonged time? ... Combined
> with the vanishing cabinet I'm sure LV sees these opportunities.
>  ,,, 
> 
> There were other DE's involved in the MoM fiasco, remember. Is 
> he going to take revenge on all their families? That is one sure
> way for creating a huge risk that one of them will defect to 
> protect them. Now he is vengeful, but I don't believe he is stupid. 
> 
> Gerry
>


bboyminn:

Surprise, surprires, I'm with Gerry on this one. I think way too much
is being made of the 'Revenge against the Malfoys' angle. First and
foremost, if Voldemort truly wants vengence or revenge, why doesn't he
just take it? Why this wacky scheme involving Draco? 

If we look at this chronologically, the first event that occurs is
Draco realizing that the Vanishing Cabinet represents a way into the
school. THAT is why I use that as my starting point, because it is the
first usable piece of information available. The next logical step is
for smarmy Draco to present this information to Voldemort. The next
logical step is that Voldemort hands Draco far more than Draco
bargained for. I suspect Draco has delusions that he can be a DE and
still keep his hands clean. Surprise, surprise.

Voldemort could have accepted just the access to the Castle part of
the plan, and still accomplished his goal, but his vengence is to give
Draco the addition impossible task of killing Dumbledore. I seriously
 doubt that he expexted Draco to be capable of doing this, but it had
the added benefit of tormenting all of he Malfoys. 

I did acknowledge that the pressure being put on Draco, and the danger
he is under, have the additional benefit of tormenting Draco's
parents. Further, Voldemort torments Draco by threatening his parents.
 That is an added benefit to Voldemort, and a great worry for Narcissa
and Lucius. Everybody is tormented; Voldemort is happy. But never
before has Voldemort been able to get his DE's so close to Dumbledore
and pull off a suprirse attack. That is the value of the Vanishing
Cabinets, and that is the core of the plan. Tormenting the Malfoys is
merely an added benefit.

Once again, I ask, why concoct such an unlikely and wacky plan as
merely telling Draco to kill Dumbledore. It makes much more sense to
have a real plan with some potential for success and then to compound
that basic plan than to start with a completely unlikely and
impossible plan. If Voldemort truly wanted vengence against the
Malfoys, he wouldn't waste his time with wacky schemes, he would just
take his vengence and be done with it. 

The first event to occur and the seed of 'The Plan' is Draco realizing
the potential of the Vanishing Cabinets. So, that is where I start.

Others don't have to agree, but then neither do I.

Steve/bboyminn