Voldemort's Plan for Draco ... (wasRe: Ginny Haters/ a bit of Draco)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 152273

> Steve:
> > ... why concoct such an unlikely ... plan as merely telling 
> > Draco to kill Dumbledore. It makes much more sense to have a
> > real plan with some potential for success ... If Voldemort 
> > truly wanted vengence against the Malfoys, he wouldn't waste
> > his time with wacky schemes, he would just take his vengence 
> > and be done with it. 
> 
> Magpie:
> Once again, I direct you ..., specifically book IV, the book with 
> the unlikely and wacky plan that includes Harry having to win a 
> contest ... in order to get to the place Voldemort actually wants 
> him.  And also Book VI, which includes an entire plot about 
> Voldemort merely telling Draco to kill Dumbledore .... It's the
>  book with the theme about murder splitting the soul and all that.  


bboyminn:

Obviously, you see my 'plan' as being as irrational as I see your
'plan', so be it.

But you have failed to effectively answer a question I posed twice,
why the wacky scheme just to punish someone. Voldemort punishes his
followers all the time for offenses great and small, so what's so
special about this group of people. If he wants to punish Lucius, he
as Draco and Narcissa at his disposal, no need for a plan, and that is
exactly why I can't accept this as the foundation of 'The Plan'.
Because it is completely unnecesary to have any plan at all, just
punish them and be done with it. 


Specific to the plot of GoF, if you view it in context, it, while
somewhat wacky, does make sense. Yes, Voldemort wants to get Harry,
but as much as he wants to do that, he also wants to get away with it.
People always say, why didn't Moody make Harry's toothbrush a Portkey.
Well, the simply phrase, 'Ron, hand me my toothbrush' explains that
away. It's unrealiable. 

Moody could invite Harry to his office and Portkey him away, but then
Moody is under suspicion. Voldemort at that time only has two allies
he can count on Crouch!Moody and Peter. I don't think with such a
small force and a weak helpless body, he is willing to take that much
risk. So, again, his objective is to get away with it. 

Also, it tends to ignore the fact that only Dumbledore can Porteky
into and out of Hogwarts; he contorls the protections. Most have
reasonable speculated that the Cup was already a Dumbledore Portkey
intended to take the Winner out of the maze, which is exactly where it
went the second time it was used.

Also, Voldemort sees great PR (public relations) potential in 'The Boy
Who Lived' simply disappearing under Dumbledore's nose at a
spectacular public event. So, while Voldemort wants to create
suspicion and chaos, he also wants his hand unseen in it. 

In that context, his plan does make sense.


An elaborate scheme to punish the Malfoy, something he can do in a
simple straight forward way, doesn't make sense. However, if he has a
plan that allows him to attack Dumbledore, the additional benefit of
tormenting the Malfoys does make sense.

Further, what you are calling canon, are really the conclusions of
distraught characters who do not themselves have all the information.

Regarding the 'plot' of HBP, we don't know what 'The Plan' is until
near the end of the book. What we see Draco doing on an on-going basis
throughout the books is not 'killing Dumbledore', but trying to fix
the Cabinet. In fact, he starts this effort before school even starts.
Only when he thinks he might fail at fixing the Cabinet, does Draco
try a couple of indirect methods of killing Dumbledore, and those are
poorly planned and poorly executed. 

The on-going plot is not to kill Dumbledore but to fix the cabinet and
bring DE's into the Castle, it is the success of those actions, that
allow for the potential of killing Dumbledore. 

THAT is canon; Draco spends his time trying to fix the Cabinet, not
trying to kill Dumbledore.  


> Magpie:
>
> I've got no problem with criticizing the plot of the book and
> saying Voldemort is an inefficient villain, but you can't write
> in scenes or ideas that aren't there to make it more personally 
> satisfying.  Well, you  can, but canon has more weight.
> 
> -m
>

bboyminn:

But I can speculate on a logical and likely sequence of events based
on what I read in the books. What I read is that Draco spent the
entire book trying to fix the cabinet, not trying to kill Dumbledore. 
Everything truly hinges on fixing the Cabinet, and the Cabinet is the
bases for my sequence of events.

Accept it, or reject it as you please.

Steve/bboyminn