Ginny/brothers/not old fashioned but old predjuces

[Joe Goodwin]

No: HPFGUIDX 152342


katssirius <katbofaye at aol.com> wrote:    
I was shocked back in GOF when Mrs. Weasley turns on Hermione 
because of Rita's stories. She knows Hermione, she knows Rita and 
the Prophet, she knows Harry, and she comes down on a 15 year old 
girl as the obvious one at fault without bothering to check it out 
first.
   
  Joe:
   Does she know Rita? Is there any canon for that? For that matter does she know Hermione? I mean in the first three books how much time did Mrs. Weasley spend with Hermione?
   
   
   katssirius:
  In OOTP she has very little patience with Tonks who appears 
to be well liked by everyone else.
   
  Joe:
   If I remember right she had very little patience because Tonks keeps breaking things, knocking things over and causing the portrait of Mrs. Black to start screaming. Given all the other things going on I can see how that would get on your nerves.
   
  katssirius:
   More often than not the Weasley children treat women as 
unintelligent and second class with their only value coming from 
their looks.
   
  Joe: Canon please. If I am not much mistaken all of the Weasley but Ron in particular make note of Hermione mental abilities.
   
  katsiruis:
   <snip> In COS, the Twins comment on the DADA booklist and in 
GOF they urge Ron to get a date before all the "good ones" are 
gone.
   
  Joe: Yes, they do say that. Yet I do not believe they ever say that "good ones" means physical appearence. Given the nature of the twins I could well see that they meant girls who like to have fun. Note Fred asks his Quidditch team mate. I think perhaps thinking "good ones" meant pretty is your own personal bias.
   
  katssirius:
   Ron and Ginny are by far the worse. Ron is a caveman in is 
belief in what makes a good date. She just has to be attractive. 
Ron and others cruelly attack Eloise Midgin for a skin condition, no 
boys are ever attacked in the same way.
   
  Joe:
  Holy over reaction batman. Ron isn't a cave man, he is a fourteen year old boy. Yes he makes a less than flattering remark about Eloise Midgin. Not even the most politically correct person alive would call it an attack however. I would like to note that I don't remember her going to the ball so others might have felt the same way. The part about no boys having something bad said about them is also not true. Rona and Harry as well I believe are stunned when they discover that Neville has a date. In short Ron and Harry are both average teenage boys. No boy or girl for that matter thinks "I hope I have a really unattractive date."
   
  Katssirius:
   Ginny's treatment of Fleur 
is a huge step backward in time to when it was acceptable to say all 
women competed for men's attention to get their MRS degree.
   
  Joe: Somehow having Ginny as a dynamic female character who is able to form her own opinions and is willing to state them forcefully and not let others sway them doen't strike me as a step back in time but to each their own.
   
  Katssirius:
   <snip> My question is What does Fleur want with 
Bill Weasley? She can have anyone, so why doesn't he tell his 
family to shape up if she is so important to him.

Joe: Because Bill loves both his wife to be and his mother. More importantly Bill can more than likely see that both of them are clearly at fault for their not getting along. If they both really love Bill they would get over their childishness.


  Joe