Pince/Filch was Re: Why DD trust Snape

houyhnhnm102 celizwh at intergate.com
Fri May 19 23:31:28 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 152521

Steven1965aaa:
> > ...is it possible that Prince went to Hogwarts 
> > at the same time as LV and Hagrid?  If he knew her 
> > then, he would have known her as Prince.

Ceridwen:
> I have some trouble assigning Eileen Prince a 
> birthdate which would place her at Hogwarts at 
> the same time as Hagrid and Riddle.

houyhnhnm:
If Eileen was Voldemort's age, or a year or two younger, that would
have made her no older than 33 when Snape was born.  Not too old for a
first child by RL standards and probably not in the WW either.  With
the exception of the Weasleys, they don't seem to be very prolific,
and even Molly and Arthur must have been some years out of school when
they started their family if they were at Hogwarts before Hagrid
became groundskeeper.  Eileen's plain appearance, along with the fact
that she settled for a Muggle, make it not improbable that she married
late.

However, I had been taking it as established canon that Eileen Prince
was at Hogwarts at the same time as Tom Riddle.  I was thinking the
date of the article about the Gobstones Club was mentioned in the
text.  After checking, I see that it wasn't.  I guess the reasoning
went like this:  1) The advanced potions textbook was "nearly fifty
years old".  2) If Snape was using a second-hand textbook, it was
probably his mother's.  3)  Hence, his mother must have been a sixth
or seventh year Hogwarts student nearly fifty years ago.

Not necessarily. As you say, Eileen may have bought the book used any
number of years after was published and handed it on to her son
third-hand.  Or it may never have been hers at all. Snape could have
purchased his book second-hand in Diagon Alley as so many of the
Weasley children have had to do.   So you are right.  There is no firm
evidence as to Eileen Prince's birthdate. 

I don't think the presence of either Hagrid or McGonagall at Hogwarts
in the '40s presents a problem to the theory, though.  McGonagall was
two years ahead of Tom so would have been more than two years ahead of
Eileen.  Eileen could have been in Hagrid's year, but if she was not a
Gryffindor(Can you see her as a Gryffindor?) they may have had very
little contact.  After 35 odd years, I don't think I would recognize
most of the people I sat in classes with let alone someone I had just
passed in the hall.

And if  Tobias and Eileen Snape are being hidden at Hogwarts, it is
very likely that they are under the protection of the Fidelius charm.

No, if anybody recognizes Madam Pince as Eileen Prince Snape, it's
going to be Hermione.








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