Noticed Something: Draco's Helpers
whirledgirl
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Tue May 23 18:41:51 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 152766
bboyminn:
> But that raises another issue, how is Draco communicating with
people
> outside the school. Everything is being closely monitored, so it is
> unlikely that he is using Owl Post, and it's unlikely that he is
> sneaking out of the school to meet someone at the gate, and he
> certainly isn't sneaking off of the school grounds.
>
> The enchanted coin he uses to contact Rosemerta I think is fine to
> control her, but that doesn't explain how he is contacting and
> engaging the complex assistance of Death Eaters. He certainly must
> have some covert means of communications, but what is it? Of course
> the books doesn't tell us, so we are completely in the realm of
> speculation, but it seems an important deatail, and it seems a
> vulnerability in Hogwart's defenses.
>
> So, what could it be?
>
> Two way mirrors .....<SNIP>
> Patronus - We know the Order communicated using their Patronus, but
> again we don't know the limitations of that. ...<SNIP>I think it
is somewhat implied that the Patronus can carry a short verbal
message, but how short or long is unclear. I speculate that you can
not carry on a dialog or conversation via Partonus; it's more like
email than a telephone.
Both of these would be undetectable and unstoppable, although a
silvery Patronus form rushing out of the castle might be noticed by
someone. Yet, it certainly can't be stopped, which is why the Order
uses it.
<SNIP>
WG:
IMO, Two way mirrors it isn't. Draco says he got the coin idea from
Hermione, so maybe if Harry had used the mirrors (and Draco seen
them etc), we could surmise Draco may have used them. However, this
didn't happen, and there could always be something *similar* we
don't know about that DE's use to communicate.
I don't believe DE or Drace communicate using a patronus. Imagine
all those DEs in Azkaban, if they could all cast a patronus?
I believe that in order to cast a patronus - a witch or wizard has
to have felt a very strong moment/s of love, purer the better. I
don't think that DEs have anything that they could feasibly use
as 'patronus material'.
Furthermore, i always envisaged a patronus carrying a message but it
not being verbal - for instance, the patronus is 'sucked' into the
recipient's wand and then the recipient hears the message in their
ear, or even in their head as a sort of telepathic message. I doubt
a patronus would be much use in an emergency, if it didn't ensure
the message was a private one.
ON THE OTHER HAND! Snape does 'intercept' (even though we don't know
how, we know he did!) the message that Tonks sent to Hagrid. How did
he intercept it? We find out that Hagrid was only a few minutes late
to dinner - was Snape on the lookout for Harry, or something/one
else? Or was Tonks so distracted that she made such a basic mistake?
If anyone could intercept a patronus message, it wouldn't secure
enough!
Consider also the amount of effort it took Harry to master the
patronus. We know that Draco has been taught Occulmency ("I see Aunt
Bellatrix has been teaching you..."HBP - when Harry overhears Snape
and Draco talking), and IMO DEs communicate using a combination of
Legilimency/or something similar. Harry, IMO, couldn't master
Occlumency because he has a 'simple', that is to say un-deceitful,
soul and mind - he can't grasp the concept of hiding one's thoughts
in such a way.
WG*
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