Snape a mole all along? WAS: Re: Draco, Harry & Norbert

nowheregirrrl aida_costa at hotmail.com
Wed May 24 06:11:50 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 152808

Lilygale:

>since I read RedHen's arguments that Snape has been DDM since his
>Hogwarts days.  One of her lines of reasoning concerns Trelawney's
>first prophecy and Snape's overhearing of same.  Jodel at Red Hen
>points out that Trelawney could not have heard Snape being ejected
>from the Hogs Head halfway through the prophecy, since Sybill is not
>conscious of her environment while making a true prophecy.
>Therefore, it is likely that Snape either
>1. Heard the whole prophecy but, on Dumbledore's command, told
>Voldemort only the first half OR
>2. Heard none of the prophecy but was summoned by Dumbledore to the
>Hogs head AFTER the prophecy was made, debriefed, and then gave LV
>the first half.

>Snape as "DDM all along" provides a very simple explanation for why
>Dumbledore trusted him so completely.

Alla:
>On the other hand, Snape as DD!M all along provides no explanation
>for Dumbledore telling Harry that Snape felt remorse after telling
>the prophecy to Voldemort. Except of course if Dumbledore lying
>through his teeth here, which I am not ready to accept yet. :)

>In light of DD withholding the truth from Harry in PS/SS, but also
>telling him that I will not of course lie, I find Dumbledore as liar
>even more difficult to accept.


I forgot about the Red Hen essays.  Yes, it absolutely makes sense to
me that Snape was DDM from the beginning.  Regarding DD not lying,
there is another fantastic Ren Hen essay that touches on this.  The
link is:
http://www.redhen-publications.com/Loyaulte.html

The three instances Jodel points out:  
1.  The Marietta Edgecombe incident.  DD tells the Aurors and Ministry
people that HE organized Dumbledore's Army.  
2.  The prophesy being overheard (see Lilygale's comment above).  Of
course he lied to Harry as DD knew Voldemort was sharing Harry's brain
for most of that year.  DD couldn't tell Harry anything about Snape
other than the DD and SS cover story that they've been telling for
years.  
3.  Snape's remorse regarding the Potter's deaths.  Of course he felt
remorse, just as DD did.  But DD insinuates Snape's remorse made him
turn.  That's likely a lie.  Snape was already DDM.

To quote Jodel:  "And is it really all that much of a stretch to
believe that Albus just didn't quite think that Harry had the maturity
to be trusted with the whole story yet?"

nowheregirrrl








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