Math Question: Horcruxes

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 152813

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "whtwitch91" <whtwitch91 at ...> 
wrote:
I have always assumed that 
> Voldemort made the horcruxes in the order in which he acquired 
> them.  He had the diary first, the ring second, the cup and locket 
> next.  He put his sixteen year old self in the diary.  But that 
may have been a different spell than the one that actually created 
the horcruxes.  We do  have a tip off in the books.  When Harry 
first  sees him in the pensieve as a boy and later as an adult 
Voldemort shows no sign of deterioration in his face. A ten year 
period passes before Voldemort again shows up in DD's office to 
apply for a job. Then the physical deterioation shows.  "His face 
was burned, blurred..."  He hasn't yet reached the total 
deterioration that is evident from the time only his head shows when 
he was attached to the back of Quirrel's head. I think that no 
horcruxes were made until that ten year period when he disappeared 
from sight and went on a search for the darkest of spells. That's 
whn he found out how to do it.
> 

Tonks:
Hummm... you may be right. 

Let's look at the facts from the books. I can't tell you the exact 
page as I have been listen to the CD in the car as I drive, but most 
of this is in HBP.

1. Tom killed his father and grandparents before he was 17. (Harry 
asks DD the question about underage magic detection at the Gaunt 
home) Tom must have still been in school then. Maybe did it on 
summer vacation or something.

2. Tom killed 3 people at the scene of his first murder. I had 
assumed that he started making the Horcruxes at that time, but I am 
wrong. He only had the diary and the ring. He did not get the locket 
till later, probably when he went to work for Borgin. (Borgin's 
pensive memory shows us that Merope sold the locket just before Tom 
was born.)

Also if Tom was only 16 or so did he know how to make a horcrux at 
that time?  Probably not, as you say it may be connected to his 
appearance.  But how much time can elapse between the time you kill 
and the time you make the horcrux? And if killing splits your soul 
and Tom killed 3 people as a teenager, where did his soul parts go 
until he made the horcruxes if he could even make them later with 
such an "old" killing?

All of this leads us to ask: Was the diary a horcrux?  Does it count 
as #1? (I thought that is was, but maybe not. Maybe Tom did use a 
different spell for that, because he was still young and did not 
know how to do it. I forgot what DD said about that. Did he confirm 
that the diary was or not?) The ring is a horcrux, but when was it 
made? Whose death was used to activate it?  DD tells us that LV was 
planning to use Harry's death to make the last horcrux. (Somewhere 
in book HBP, sorry don't know page.) So we know that sometime 
between the ring and GH that LV had 5 horcruxes.  We really don't 
know what the 6th one is, but DD thinks that it is Nagini. 

I don't think that Harry is a horcrux because LV was probably alone 
and he did not kill Harry nor did he have time to do anything since 
he became Vapormort right away.  

We are also told by DD that the murders were important. That there 
was some significance to each murder that LV used to make a 
horcrux.  That is why he wanted Harry's murder for his last horcrux.

To answer G.C. : 
DD also tell us that the mouth-organ was "only ever a mouth-organ".

I like Randy's idea that maybe Rowling used the Eye of Horde concept 
in Horcrux making.  Given what she has used in the past it makes 
sense. If we follow that course we have the 5 senses and the 6th 
sense for the last one. This would make a lot of "sense", I think. 
How does each Horcrux match up with the senses?

And I am back to asking what death goes with each horcrux and what 
is our timeline? Let's try making a chart of the killings, the 
object and the time. 

Tonks_op