Snape a mole all along? WAS: Re: Draco, Harry & Norbert

[lolita_ns]

No: HPFGUIDX 152838

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "zgirnius" <zgirnius at ...> 
wrote:
> For example: Snape is listening at the door. Trelawney starts 
> prophesying (she feels a little odd, as per her statement). The 
> barman, having just come up the stairs, sees Snape  and 
> unceremoniously yanks him away after he hears the bit we have all 
> been told Voldemort knows. Snape and the barman struggle, and 
Snape 
> makes protestations of innocence. During this short struggle, 
> Trelawney completes the Prophecy. Having gained the upper hand 
(hey, 
> Snape is a skinny 20-year old, the barman has been dealing with 
the 
> colorful clientele of the Hog's Head lo these many years) the 
barman 
> throws open the door and drags Snape in to let Dumbledore know 
what 
> he has found. Trelawney, now out of her trance, sees this and 
> remembers it. Dumbledore is now more disposed to give her a job 
(hey, 
> she IS a Seer! and she has inside her head a hot secret Voldemort 
> would love to know.) Death Eater Snape heads out to report the 
only 
> part of hte prophecy he heard. I don't see a problem.


Lolita:

There is one problem, in my opinion. If the events went as you 
described them, why on earth didn't DD obliviate Snape before 
letting Aberforth kick him out of the pub? He could have immobilsed 
him, put an anti-apparition spell on him (he put it on the DEs in 
the Ministry in OotP, so we know that there is such a thing and that 
DD knows how to do it) and wiped the prophecy out of his memory. So 
why didn't he do it? Why did he let him escape with this crucial 
piece of information?
  

zgirnius:
> > 3.  Snape's remorse regarding the Potter's deaths.  Of course he 
> felt
> > remorse, just as DD did.  But DD insinuates Snape's remorse made 
him
> > turn.  That's likely a lie.  Snape was already DDM.
> >
> zgirnius:
> Well, I don't see the evidence, other than the possibility he knew 
> the whole prophecy. What evidence we have hangs together well with 
> the story of Snape having been in truth a Death Eater at the time 
he 
> delivered the prophecy


Lolita:

But of course he felt remorse! I think this one is also from RedHen:
When he heard that his information led LV to James, how do you think 
he felt, knowing that he had a lifedebt to James, and that he had 
breached the contract, by being partly responsible for his death? I 
think that the consequences of such an act are neither innocent nor 
easily  - if ever - righted. 

Cheers,
Lolita :)