A fate worse than death

[Tonks]

No: HPFGUIDX 152871

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Geoff Bannister" 
<gbannister10 at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> ...and when things had been sorted out after the battle...
> 
> "But Morgoth himself the Valar thrust through the Door of Night 
> beyond the Walls of the World, into the Timeless Void; and a guard 
is  set for ever on those walls and Eärendil keeps watch upon the r
> amparts of the sky."
> (ibid.)
> 
> To me, this would seem to be something worse than death,
> 
> On the subject of the prophecy - yet again!
> 
> I do not think that one of the two dying is absolutely 
> necessary because the prophecy - like the Delphic utterances - is 
vague.
> 

Tonks: 
OK once more for old times sake, let look at the thing again. I was 
playing around in the Dictionary last night. We "think" we know what 
words mean, but do we? She worded this very carefully. So this tells 
us there is some deception in there somewhere..

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... 
Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month 
dies ... And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will 
have power the Dark Lord knows not ... And either must die at the 
hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... 
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the 
seventh month dies..."

According to Dictionary.com we have the following definitions: 

Vanquish: 
*To defeat or conquer in battle; subjugate
*To overcome or subdue
*Suppress
*Come out better in a competition, race, or conflict

Live: To be alive; exist

Survive:
*To remain alive or in existence
*To carry on despite hardships or trauma
*To remain functional or usable

Die:
*To cease living; become dead; expire
*To cease existing, especially by degrees; fade
*To experience an agony or suffering suggestive of that of death
*To become indifferent
*To lose strength; subside
*Pass from physical life and lose all bodily attributes and 
functions    necessary to sustain life;
*Languish as with love or desire
*Any of various tools or devices for imparting a desired shape, 
form, or finish to a material or for impressing an object or 
material 

I have suggested that the struggle between LV and Harry is symbolic 
of the struggle between Death and Love. But what else can folks come 
up with? I too do not think that Harry will kill, in war or out. It 
is possible that Harry will try to possess LV and LV will not be 
able to stand LOVE in his body and will pull his own soul out or 
kill himself (if he is modeled on Hitler, this would also fit). And 
Sirius will have some part in this, as well as DD somehow.

Tonks_op