Tangent: Horcrus/Souls Destroyed (was: Predictions ... book 7)

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 152946

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Wilkins" <enlil65 at ...> wrote:
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> 
> Peggy W:
> ...edited...
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> I think a destroyed-except-one-Horcrux Voldemort would be even
> weaker than the Vapormort that the series started out with; so
> the cycle would begin again, and maybe in 50 years he'd be back...
> 
> We could postulate that the situation may be different once there
> is only one Horcrux left, but personally I am more than a little
> skeptical.
> 

bboyminn:

I'm really straying off on a tangent here, but I think it is something
we need to resolve. We speak of destroying that Horcruxes and
destroying the soul bits as if they were one thing. The Horcrux seems
to be the /container/ in which the 'soul bit' is stored, or trapped,
if you prefer. So, when you destroy the container, are you merely
releasing the 'soul bit' so that it is no longer Earth-Bound, or are
people assuming that bit of the soul is destroyed in the process? 

Admittedly, it is a very fine distinction since the end result is
virtually the same. However, people have spoken of Voldemort being
diminished as each soul piece is lost, I don't think that is true. He
has already lost those soul bits and that is why he is currently
diminished or less human. If Harry destroys the Horcruxes, and the
soul bit do what ever they do, I don't see Voldemort changing.

Although, I don't think it is true, one could speculate that the 'soul
bits' will return to the 'core soul' once released, and in that case,
Voldemort WILL change, but he will become /more/ human not less.
Interesting thought, if this is true, then we could speculate that
Harry will face, not Voldemort, but full human, or nearly human, Tom
Riddle in the end. 

Also, I'm under the impression that the Auxiliary Horcruxes/soul
pieces must be destroyed first, then when they are destroy, Harry can
go after what I refer to as the 'Core Soul' contained in Voldemort's
body. 

> Peggy W continues:
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> To continue with your scenario: another outcome of this line of
> thought might be that after defeating the physical Voldemort 
> Harry would realize he is still carrying Voldemort inside him. 
> There would be no confrontation or battle with this dormant bit,
> but Harry would then have to realize that he will have to 
> sacrifice himself in order to assure the safety of the world. 
> Perhaps this makes sense of "neither can live while the other 
> survives".  ...
> 

bboyminn:

I realize that you are just speculating on the possibilities, so I'm
not necessarily trying to shoot down your scenario, but it does seem
to beg the question, can Voldemort be destroyed while a 'soul bit'
remains in Harry? 

It would seem that Voldemort's core soul, Voldemort's 'self', would
remain earthbound as long as any soul bit remains. Which means in the
scenario you described above, Voldemort would revert back to his
Vapormort form. 

Harry would then be faced with the task of somehow destroying the soul
bit that remains in himself, then in turn, he would have to figure out
 how to kill a Voldemort that no longer had a body. That doesn't seem
like an easy task, and perhaps an even impossible one. We can
speculate that by taking on a body, Voldemort has opened himself to
the possibility of death if the right circumstances can be created,
but lacking a body, how do you kill something that has no physical
presence?

> Peggy W concludes:
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> Let's go a little farther with this.  If Harry has this realization,
> and is willing (actively decides) to sacrifice himself because he
> truly feels the full meaning of it all, that feeling may force out
> that last bit of Voldemort (similar to the MoM possession where
> Harry's feeling of love was intolerable to Voldemort).  If that
> happens, perhaps he then could live; and perhaps even without the
> scar.
> 
> -- 
> Peggy Wilkins

bboyminn:

Again, not necessarily trying to shoot down your idea, just trying to
get everyone working from the same common understanding of what we are
working with, to the extent that that is possible. 

If fact, this last part is very intriguing. I have speculated a
situation where Harry possesses Voldemort, and extending that to your
idea, that possession could drive out BOTH the last soul bit and
Voldemort's core soul. Perhaps Voldemort would abandon physical form
to escape the pain not realizing that he would be taking his core soul
and the last soul bit with him, and thereby, release his soul in a way
that it was no longer earthbound. In otherwords, he would really die.

Still, I'm intrigued by the Veil, and would prefer to somehow work it
into the final solution. Perhaps Harry possesses Voldemort and drags
him into the Veil, and that brings an earthly end to the soul bit, the
core soul, and ultimately Voldemort. 

Now the question is, is there a way for Harry to return from behind
the Veil? I have speculations that have already been posted, so I
won't bore everyone with it again.

Just curious.

Steve/bboyminn