I See No Difference (was Re: Draco is quite the wizard

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No: HPFGUIDX 160798

Charles:

< HUGE SNIP>
> The fact is that Harry did *not* get off for the duel, IMO. The
> punishmnent for the duel was 50 points from Gryffindor. Then he and
> Ron got detention besides, for mouthing off to Snape. This doesn't
> require anyone to believe in anything but Jerk!Snape, as even the
> most devout DDM!Snape would have to admit that Snape's behavior is
> quite often unpleasant.


Alla:

Nooooo Charles, Snape cannot be even unpleasant.
Saint that one and has no significant character flaws.

There is no way for example that Snape can simply hate a child 
because he confuses this child with his father, even if at the end of 
HBP, when there is nobody to pretend in front of, Snape screams *you 
and your filfy father*. Because that is quite despicable to hate a 
child for the sins of the father and we cannot have it  in our noble 
hero:)


Alla wrote:
> > <snip>
> > So what I hear you saying is that we are back to justifying 
Snape's 
> > behaviour as in he is not really a jerk, he is just pretending to 
be
> one to train Trio?
> > 
> > Okay then :) <snip>
> 
> Carol responds:
> I'm not sure why you think that after OoP, this idea is "meritless"
> <from your snipped sig line>. 

Alla:

My apologies. I meant to say after HBP. Not that it ever worked for 
me, but after "you and your filfy father", the argument for me has no 
merits. I mean JKR may say otherwise in book 7 of course, but right 
now - yes, no merits.


Carol:
It actually *could* explain quite a bit
> of Snape's conduct as the teacher of various subjects in all six
> books. He wants his Potions students (especially Harry and Neville) 
to
> follow directions carefully, as indicated by his specifying exactly
> what they did wrong each time he criticizes their potions, and he
> brings bezoars and the Draught of Living Death quite memorably into
> the first lesson, combining them with a lesson in humility for "our
> new celebrity." (I know you don't like his methods, but maybe he 
wants
> to be sure that Harry remembers what he's teaching without any
> affection developing between them, which would seem suspicious to 
the
> Slytherin half of the class.)

Alla:

Or he can simply be a jerk of course. But I wonder what do you think 
he is training Harry for, when he takes his book away in PS/SS?

What do you think he is training Harry for when he is not letting him 
to go to Dumbledore right away in GoF?

What is he training Neville for when Neville's boggart becomes him?




Carol:
<BIG SNIP> 
And, of course, Snape is still shouting instructions,
> worded as if they were insults, in his duel with Harry at the end of
> HBP, a duel which could have ended with Harry bleeding on the ground
> from Sectumsempra or dead from an AK, or stunned and kidnapped.
> Instead, he's told "No Unforgiveable Curses from you!" and "Shut 
your
> mouth and close your mind" ("Occlumency and nonverbals, you moron!")

Alla:

And we also know that JKR hinted that Harry will not be able to do 
Occlumency, because he is too honest for that, so it is quite 
possible that Snape has no clue what Harry is about ( and NO we do 
not know that those were instructions, we want them to be such)

I am betting  that Occlumency will play no role whatsoever in Harry's 
defeating Voldemort, but him **showing** those emotions ( that 
dreaded power of love) will play a very significant role somehow)

We shall see of course.

JMO,

Alla