TBAY: BlackWidower!Snape retuned (long)

[dungrollin]

No: HPFGUIDX 160806

> SSSusan:
> I wonder why it is I can actually see it happening with Snape more 
> than I can with Lucius?  That I can imagine a real *friendship* 
> between Snape and someone much more easily than I can imagine a 
real *friendship* between Lucius and someone.

Dung:
Yes... I wonder that, too.

SSSusan:
I believe I have canon evidence for a Lucius who is 
> careful about watching his back and who is good at presenting 
> different masks to different people, but I also am not thinking of 
> any friend-screwing-over episodes.  

Dung:
Yes, and I'm not contesting your (as-yet uncited) canon (I might, 
if/when you decide to cite it...) But it is *fascinating* that you 
can't imagine Lucius ever having a "real" friendship, and doing a 
friend a favour to get them out of trouble, yet you have much less 
(almost *no*?) problem imagining the same for Snape. 

Fascinating, given that Snape *has* screwed over his friends big 
time (at least one lot, possibly both), and everything in your above 
paragraph (watching his back, presenting different masks to 
different people) is so much more *obviously* true of Snape than 
Lucius.

So my question is: What have you got against Lucius?


> SSSusan:
> All of what you've said here makes perfect sense to me; it fits 
with the kind of Lucius I have in my mind's eye:  the calculating, 
> scheming, I'm-the-one-holding-the-cards kind of slimeball.  Not 
that I'm opinionated about Lucius or anything you understand. ;-)

Dung:
No, obviously. Perish the thought. (See above.)

> SSSusan:
> Now, just out of curiosity, if you and I happen to be (gasp!) 
> incorrect in our belief in DDM!Snape, if, in fact, Snape turns out 
to be (moan) ESE!Snape, would you still feel that you want Snape to 
> live?  

Dung:
Ok. Firstly, don't be silly, we're not wrong.

Secondly, yes, absolutely I would. He's *interesting*, whether he's 
good or evil, and I *like* him (again, whether he's good or evil). 
As a literary construct, of course - I'm certain that if I were 
somehow ever able to meet him he'd detest me and it'd be 100% 
mutual. That's not the point. The point is ... I'm not sure what the 
point is...

No, here's the point (or at least, *a* point): he's up there with 
Lord Vetinari, Richard III (Shakespeare's version), Artemis Fowl, 
Francis Urquhart, Livia (Robert Graves's version), characters who 
cause all sorts of mayhem, but you can't help feeling that the 
fictional worlds they inhabit would be poorer places for their 
passing. I like being able to cheer on people I'd steer well clear 
of in real life. 

Perhaps I should start an IWSTLC. I could knock up some virtual 
bumper stickers quite quickly...  

Dungrollin
Not sure if that's any clearer.