Harry not a Horcrux, but Harry's scar IS (was:Re: Horcrux Discussion),

Beatrice23 beatrice23 at yahoo.com
Sun Nov 5 18:41:06 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 161013

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dhaval" <dnm786 at ...> wrote:
>
> > >>Sandra:
> >> <snip>
> >> My question is: does anybody REALLY know that Harry contains 
that last piece of Voldemort's soul? << <snip>
> 
> dhaval:
> Harry feels. He feels love. The reason he feels is because he is 
human and pure, unlike Voldemort. Therefore when Voldemort enters 
Harry's body in the 5th book (GoF) he suffers greater agony than 
Harry.  Therefore, IMO, he could never have dissociated his soul into 
Harry because though Harry would be able to bear it, Voldemort would 
feel a lot of pain (not a feasible option).
> 
> dhaval


Beatrice:

While I certainly agree that this may simply be a theory that doesn't 
pan out one of JKR's red herrings, I think that there is something to 
this argument.  

On another fan site, someone recently pointed out that while Harry 
may not be a horcrux in and of himself, his scar might be a horcrux.  
In order to accept this theory, you have to consider the possiblity 
that the horcrux could exist relatively undetected and not 
intergrated within Harry's body.  As dhaval mentions above, Harry is 
able to feel and return love which is the anthesis to Voldemort's 
existance.  What if the love bestowed on Harry by his mother is able 
to encase the horcrux?  Like the locket, the scar horcrux would 
contain a small fraction of LV, but would not pollute Harry's purity, 
because it cannot penetrate the barrier of purity that is his 
mother's love?

But what kind of textual evidence could we find to support this 
idea?  Well, let us begin with the prophecy: "THE ONE WITH THE POWER 
TO VANQUISH THE DARK LORD APPROACHES. . . AND THE DARK LORD WILL MARK 
HIM AS HIS EQUAL, BUT HE WILL HAVE A POWER THE DARK LORD KNOWS 
NOT. . . AND EITHER MUST DIE AT THE HAND OF THE OTHER FOR NEITHER CAN 
LIVE WHILE THE OTHER SURVIVES..." (OotP 841, US).  Dumbledore and 
many fans have read this as either Harry or LV must murder the other 
in order to live.  But what I find significant is the second thing in 
that sentence "neither can live while the other survives." We are 
told several times throughout the text, both from DD directly and 
from other sources (namely Fudge in the first chapter of HBP) that LV 
isn't really alive and thus cannot be killed.  Let me repeat that, 
Voldemort cannot be killed because he is not really alive.  This is 
further explained and confirmed when DD tells Harry about the 
horcruxes (HBP). We know that Harry's mission is to track down and 
eliminate all horcruxes.  When this is accomplished LV will 
be "alive" again.  With his mortality restored, he will be able to be 
killed.  Let's leave this for the moment and look at the prophecy 
again.

The prophecy continues that "the dark lord will mark him as his 
equal, but he will have a power the dark lord knows not."  Must 
readers conclude and I agree that the power Harry possesses is love.  
But what about the act of marking him as an equal?  How does a simple 
scar mark Harry as LV's equal?  If we have learned anything from the 
text it is that Harry's scar is not an ordinary scar.  It has given 
him the ability to speak parseltongue, protects him against people 
who wish him ill, and is an emotional link between Harry and LV.  DD 
theorizes that LV transfered some of his powers during his failed 
attempt to kill Harry. But does that make Harry an equal?  Would 
Harry be more equal if he possessed or more precisely his scar 
possessed an equal portion of the Dark Lord's soul?  This would 
account for the strange emotional connection and Harry's odd 
abilities.  I suspect that LV became equally suspicious of this when 
he realized that Harry was able to read his emotions.  

This is the reason why LV possessed Harry in the MoM.  LV was 
attempting to confirm what he already suspected that Harry was the 
recipient of much more that night in Godric's hollow.  True, LV 
couldn't possess him for very long because of his mother's love, but 
it was probably long enough for him to confirm that Harry's scar 
contained a portion of his twisted evil soul.  In the MoM when LV is 
in possession of Harry's body, he taunts DD "'Kill me now, 
Dumbledore. . . If death is nothing, Dumbledore, kill the boy...'"  
DD assumes that LV was simply trying to provoke him into killing 
Harry in the hopes that it would also eliminate the Dark Lord.  But 
Voldemort realized earlier in their battle that DD was not attempting 
to kill him at all, so why would he assume that DD would take out 
Harry at this moment?  LV knows that DD loves Harry and he expects 
him to act like any "fool" would to try to keep Harry alive at any 
cost.  Thus, LV uses the opportunity of his close proximity to Harry 
to test his own theory about Harry's scar.  He would taunt DD in this 
way, because he knows that he is in no danger of dying, but he 
doesn't want DD to realize his true reasons for possessing Harry.

This is why LV is determined to kill Harry himself (see Snape's 
flight from Hogwarts HBP).  LV hopes to remove the horcrux from 
Harry's scar first, probably in some scene reminiscent of GOF's 
graveyard scene and then dispose of Harry.  This could potentially 
allow Harry to survive a final confrontation with Voldemort.

But let's go back to the prophecy for one brief moment, before I 
close.  Why doesn't DD at least consider the possibility that Harry 
is a horcrux?  He is after all the greatest wizard of our / Harry's 
time.  This is true, but he is not infallible.  He admits that not 
telling Harry about the prophecy is a mistake (OotP).  He even 
indicates that while his guesses are usually better than other's his 
errors are much larger when he makes them.  I think that DD has made 
an error by not considering it the possibility that Harry's scar is a 
horcrux. We can excuse him, because this kind of result has never 
been seen before and thus he is navigating uncharted waters and can 
only base his conclusions on his somewhat limited vantage point.  

Of course if maybe that we all have a limited vantage point when it 
comes to Harry Potter 7 and only JKR knows for sure the outcome.

cheers,
Beatrice








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