Harry not a Horcrux

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 161075

Dungrollin:
<snip>
> How about, the reason that Voldy gave Lily a chance to get out of
the way ("Stand aside, you silly girl!"), was that he didn't know she
was going to be there (perhaps he *had* promised her to Wormtail, or 
> something gross like that), and, thinking the house was empty, he 
> completed the Horcrux-preparation spell just after killing James. He 
> goes to the room where baby!Harry is, and is surprised to find Lily 
> there. He doesn't want to kill her, because then the next Horcrux 
> would be made with *her* death rather than Harry's, which was
supposed to be the grand finale to his 7-Horsecrutch plan.

Carol responds:
What Horcrux preparation spell? I know of no indication in canon that
the spell is performed before the murder. Since it *encases* an
existing soul bit in an object, surely the murder has to come first?
Also, note that Dumbledore says that Voldemort (normally) used
significant murders to create Horcruxes, but he doesn't say that the
murders were committed *in order* to create the Horcruxes. The murders
are committed for, and significant for, other reasons (revenge against
his "filthy Muggle father," for one); preventing the Prophecy, for
another). I see absolutely no indication that the Horcrux has to be
created on the spot, or the object prepared ahead of time. IMO,
Voldemort could have taken his time to obtain an appropriate object,
say the Sword of Gryffindor, and used Harry's murder at any time to
create that Horcrux. Or he could use an object already in his
possession like the ring and the diary and an old but significant
murder to make the objects into Horcruxes. Where do you find the
implication that the spell must be performed first? 

I do agree that Voldemort didn't want to kill Lily because it was
Harry's murder that he wanted to use for the Horcrux, but that was
secondary to killing Harry in the first place to thwart the Prophecy.
But I don't think Voldemort didn't think she would be there, much less
that he intended to prepare some object before killing Harry. I
certainly don't believe that Wormtail (or Snape) wanted Lily as his
reward--wasn't that Wormtongue and Eowyn? wrong story! I think he
simply expected Lily to resist him as James did and therefore die in
battle rather than be murdered. Instead, the "silly girl" approached
him unarmed and begged him not to kill Harry and then offered her life
for his. So, "Stand aside, girl!" simply means "Get out of my way!"
and when she fails to see the sense of this proposition (his vies, not
mine), he has no choice but to kill her (though he could have simply
Stunned her and defeated the ancient magic. Too bad for him and lucky
for the WW that he didn't think of that.) <snip>

Dung: 
> Making Horlicks is such an unusual event in the WW that Voldemort
can be forgiven for not correctly judging the consequences (this is 
> seriously dark magic, and can't be stopped with a simple 'finite 
> incantatem'), which are that the piece of soul ripped off during the 
> killing of Lily is attracted to the nearest 'sticky' object, which
is Harry, because he has a soul which is attached to his physical form
by this 'stickiness'. <snip>

Carol:
I probably snipped too much here, but I don't buy the "stickiness"
theory or the idea that the encasing spell precedes the murder. I
think you remove the torn soul bit and encase it in the object after
the soul bit has been detached, meaning that the murder must come
first. You don't wrap a Christmas present before you buy the present.
You "encase" it (put it in a box and wrap it) after it's in your
possession. That aside, it isn't a failed Horcrux spell (which LV
never had a chance to perform) that thwarted Voldie. It was Lily's
sacrifice. That's canon.

Carol, who admittedly doesn't like Harry!Horcrux, but is arguing here
against your specific arguments, not against the theory itself