Performer of fidelius charm

[abergoat]

No: HPFGUIDX 161463

Abergoat writes:

TinyTonks, Sirius states that he convinced James and Lily to make the
switch so I think we have to include them on the list of people 'in
the know' and so they can be the casters.

Personally, I don't think there are 'problems' with Fidelius if people
buy into the idea that the mysterious person that MIGHT have been at
Godric's Hollow moved Harry (and Lily's body) from the standing
portion of the house to the destroyed portion so that Hargid could see
them. I imagine James' body was in the room already, I suspect his
fight with Voldemort is what destroyed that portion of the house.

Here is a feasible sequence of events with the tidbits of canon that
support each speculation:

1) Lily cast Fidelius

Canon support: Lily's wand was good for charms (book 1) and Slughorn
called her 'one of the brightest STUDENTS' (not potion makers) he ever
taught. She was head girl, and James was warily of her wand in OotP.
She may have been capable of an 'immensely complex' charm.


2) Peter was told to give the secret to Dumbledore (Potters would not
be present, they are hiding)

Canon support: see support for #3


3) Peter chose to give secret to Dumbledore polyjuiced as Sirius to
frame Sirius for what Peter knew was coming (murder).

Canon support: Dumbledore, PoA
"I myself gave evidence to the Ministry that Sirius HAD BEEN the
Potters' Secret-Keeper" (emphasis mine)


4) Dumbledore had asked James for the Invisibility Cloak because James
had agreed, for their safety and the safety of the SK, to have the SK
give the secret to Dumbledore's Voldemort spy hidden under the cloak
at the same time Dumbledore was given the secret (I doubt James knew
the spy was Snape and Peter certainly had no idea Snape was there.)

Canon support: JKR says we should be asking why Dumbledore had the
cloak. This would make the cloak key to how the mystery person at
Godric Hollow got the secret.


5) Snape found out that Voldemort was going to Godric's Hollow and ran
there first, telling them to run. But because he couldn't resist
saying something extremely offensive about Sirius Black, the man he
THOUGHT was the SK, James knocked Snape unconscious.

Canon support: Snape, PoA
"Like father, like son, Potter! I have just saved your neck; you
should be thanking me on bended knee!<snip>You'd have died like your
father, too arrogant to believe you might be mistaken in Black"


6) Lily, unaware that her son was the target and thinking Voldemort
didn't kill children (Hagrid expressed surprise about this in book 1)
took the time to hide Snape, the man she now knew to be Dumbledore's
spy and therefore more valuable than her. (Not to mention letting
Voldemort kill Snape when Snape had tried to save them is rather bad
form).

Canon support: For some strange reason Lily hadn't even picked up her
son, let alone run even though James was 'buying her time'. Voldemort
says James fought couragously so I doubt he died in two seconds...and
Lily is begging for mercy, like she thinks that Voldemort is killing
her son to punish her...or to make her do something. 

We have no proof that Lily knew anything about the prophecy.
Dumbledore certainly wasn't in a big hurry to share it with
Harry...why would he share it with the Potters and Longbottoms?
Dumbledore himself says the prophecy is just words until someone acts
on them, if the Longbottoms and Potters were already hiding because
Voldemort was after them for their 'defiances' what was to be gained
by telling them?

Conclusion:
The advantage of all this is that there will be a portion of the house
to see when Harry returns to Godric's Hollow. An additional advantage
is that Harry's great weapon against Voldemort is 'love' but he is
presently in the grip of 'hate', hatred for a man that MAY have tried
to save his parents...but James prejudice (and fast Quidditch
reflexes) MAY have prevented it.

Again, Snape's quote. Doesn't it sound like Snape thinks that he tried
to save James' life but James refused the help because of belief in
Sirius?
Snape, PoA
"Like father, like son, Potter! I have just saved your neck; you
should be thanking me on bended knee!<snip>You'd have died like your
father, too arrogant to believe you might be mistaken in Black"


> Charles, off to vote himself-and glad he's got several Libertarians 
> to vote for, including a gubernatorial candidate!

Abergoat writes:
Hmm, wonder if you are in Arizona, too.

Abergoat