[HPforGrownups] Re: JKR and the boys

[danielle dassero]

No: HPFGUIDX 161502

I think Harry was more affected by Cedric's death for several reasons, one of them being that Cedric was a young man, and a very innocent person, someone whom Harry felt he had killed. Plus, Cedric was the very first person that Harry knew that was killed in front of him. Cedric didn't die in a battle, he was killed like he was just an annoying fly on the wall. Harry felt responsible for his death. On the other hand, Sirius was older, had been through war before. While Harry felt responsible for Sirius's death as well, he was able to move on quicker, because he had just gone through something like this before, and because he knew that is how Sirius wouldv'e wanted to go. Out with a bang. The deaths of different people affect people differently. My dad died this summer, and I am still not over it, and not done dealing. I was very close to him. His death was very unsuspected. I think that if Bill had died, Harry would have been deeply affected too. Cedric was just too young
 and too much a surprise death to Harry.

    And I think people also need to realize that when it comes to movies, the people put in scenes to help fill time, spaces and gaps that lead to the next scene. So the scene with the boys being teenage boys is just that, filler. JKR doens't need to fill time or space like that. She probably thinks we have imaginations and can think that some of this stuff happens, just like we all know they use the toilet and shower and bathe and brush their teeth. Also the daily interactions between Harry and some of the people at Hogwarts just arent' just that important to the story.  

    And Hermione is a hanging out with boys know it all. I should know, I am Hermione. I had maybe 1 real close girlfriend growing up, most of my real good friends were boys. Hermione is a whole year older than most of her classmates, I was too. I found it difficult to get along with the girls in my class because we were on different pages, no common ground. Hermione is like that too. She doens't hang out with Lavendar or Parvati because she doesn't have much of anything in common with them. Hermione is very logical at times and very much a bookworm, and the giggling girls L&P aren't like that. 
    Well that's all for tonight. Nite folks

Danielle, from Colorado 

----- Original Message ----
From: lupinlore <rdoliver30 at yahoo.com>
To: HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:47:36 PM
Subject: [HPforGrownups] Re: JKR and the boys

--- In HPforGrownups@ yahoogroups. com, "Steve" <bboyminn at .. .> wrote:
>
<SNIP>
> 
> Personally, I am positively stunned by how well JKR
> captures the inner landscape of her male characters. I
> think it is a stunning achievement, and a task she 
> succeeds at far better than most other female authors.
> 
> Remember, you heard it here first.
> 
> 

Well, I guess this is just one of those areas where many of us will 
never understand where the other side is coming from. I have often 
found JKR's grasp of emotions and emotional psychology to be so 
laughably bad as to inspire nothing but derision. Especially in HBP 
her dealing with Harry's emotions were so unbelievable I couldn't 
credit that she thought anyone could buy it.

As has been pointed out in the past, the problem is that JKR's 
characters react as they have to react in order for the plot to go in 
a certain way, not in ways that are believable, understandable, or in 
any way satisfying for the reader. So, for instance, Harry is deeply 
affected by Cedric's death but he shrugs off Sirius' demise with an 
incredibly silly stiff-upper- lip speech. Yeah, right. All the 
issues between him and Dumbledore are swept firmly under the rug with 
three sentences. Excuse me while I engage in incredulous laughter at 
the bad writing.

JKR often confuses detail with completeness. Her plots, for 
instance, are incredibly detailede, but often filled with huge, 
gaping holes. Similarly her characters' reactions are worked out in 
detailed ways that are dictated by the plot, not believable or well-
written in terms of believing in the characters -- much less in terms 
of buying the messages she tries to send about how we are supposed to 
view the characters.

Lupinlore






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