Harry, Sirius Black, and the power of possession (Was: JKR and the boys)

justcarol67 justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 16 19:13:37 UTC 2006


No: HPFGUIDX 161592

Carol earlier:
> And Dumbledore, who can't explain why he trusts Severus Snape, can't
help Harry sort out these mixed-up emotions. Of course, not having a
funeral or even a  memorial service for Black didn't help Harry,
either. He hasn't been  given a chance to grieve for his godfather in
a normal fashion.
> > 
> > Carol, who thinks that Sirius Black's body will be returned
through the Veil and he'll be given a real funeral in Book 7
> >
> Lupinlore responded:
> I'm not sure that DD is any more to blame than anybody else when it 
> comes to that.  The adults surrounding Harry really do seem to be 
> emotionally retarded, ludicrously incompetent, often ignoble, nut 
> cases.  Lupin, at least, has an excuse.  The others just seem to be 
> incompetent morons.
> 
> Getting Sirius' body back from the veil would be interesting, but 
> would, I suspect, open up a can of worms that would rival the 
> whole "DD speech in OOTP" or "veritaserum not being used on Sirius" 
> or "ludicrously incompetent and convoluted Voldemort plans in OOTP 
> and GoF" cans of worms.  To wit, how to get the body back without 
> crossing through the veil?  And if one can cross the veil to get the 
> body, why couldn't one cross the veil to get the living Sirius?  Not 
> to mention it still doesn't answer the question of why there wasn't
a memorial for Sirius, body or no.

Carol again:
Sorry to be unclear: I wasn't blaming Dumbledore for the absence of a
memorial service for Sirius Black, only pointing out that Harry didn't
have the opportunity to come to terms with his godfather's death that
a funeral or memorial service offers and noting that DD couldn't help
Harry sort out his anger at Snape, whom Harry chooses to blame for
Black's death, for complicated reasons that have nothing to do with Black.

As for Sirius Black's body coming back through the Veil, that's part
of my hypothesis that non-Horcrux!Harry will defeat Voldemort through
the power of possession (one of the powers that he acquired at
Godric's Hollow but doesn't know about yet). The idea is that the pain
caused by Harry's possessing him (Love and all that) would drive
Possessed!LV through the Veil, leaving Harry's body outside. LV would
have to stay there as Sirius does, being dead but not murdered, but
the spare soul inside him (Harry's) would not have to stay there.
After Harry spoke, using Voldemort's voice, to reveal his presence,
Dead!Sirius would lend Soul!Harry his body so that Harry could return
through the Veil. Harry would then reenter his own body, and Black's
body would be available for burial (he would not return from the dead,
nor would Harry, who was only possessing Voldemort and not dead).

Okay, it's rather far-fetched and gruesome, but I like it better than
Horcrux!Harry because it would allow Harry to live and to destroy
Voldemort without committing murder and using Voldemort's own powers
against him.

Carol, who doesn't consider Dumbledore and the adults in general a
bunch of incompetents but isn't arguing that point at the moment






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