[HPforGrownups] Time turner theory

[Lana]

No: HPFGUIDX 161843




  Lana Wrote:
  >
  > But.. Had the kids not gone back in time, Buckbeak >would have died. Hermoine even saw herself, so we >KNOW that this is why he didn't die. They had already >taken him.

  >Sarah wrote:
  >Uh oh, this argument again. :)
  >Hermione saw herself? I think that the trio heard both >Harry and
  >Hermione under the cloak, but they didn't know who it >was at the time.
  >Harry also saw himself cast the Patronus Charm, and >likewise didn't
  >realize who it was.

  Lana writes:

  I understand exactly what you are saying.  What **I** am saying is that "it" (meaning any event that causes another to evolve into an action) has to have happened a first time in order for it to continue repeating itself. A ball will not bounce until someone bounces it first... 

     At some point, there had to be a "first" trio that changed the original death.  Buckbeak had to have died at some point or there would have been no need for them to "save" him.  There had to have been a "first" Sirius that was "kissed" or there would have been no need to go and save him either.

  When I stated that she saw herself, I was referring to the second Hermoine, not the first.  The first was unsure of what she may have heard or seen because she wasn't meant to know.  The second Hermoine KNEW what she was seeing.  

  >Sarah wrote:
  >Buckbeak never died. The first Harry and Hermione >thought that he
  >did, but they were hearing MacNair swing his axe into >the fence, the
  >same way he did it the second time. Because the second >Harry and
  >Hermione were already there, stealing Buckbeak.



  Lana writes:

  This goes back to the..  It had to have happened at some point or there would have been no need to "save" him.


  >Sarah wrote:
  >I know there will be people who disagree with this >interpretation, but
  >I think it's borne out by them hearing their own >footsteps in the
  >corridor, and especially Harry seeing himself. He was >there both
  >run-throughs.

  Lana writes:

  I disagree with your intrepretaion only because it does't take into consideration that there has to be a beginning event in order for you to go back and modify it.  Not because of what you say above.  If Beaky didn't die, then why would you need to save him?  If Sirius wasn't captured and "kissed", then why would they need to go back and help him escape?  Your theory doesn't make sense to me at all.

  >Sarah wrote:

  >This also explains why they can't do something like, for >example,
  >travel back and save Sirius from the veil. If they had >done it, they
  >would have seen themselves do it.

  Lana Writes:

  Technically, they could if it was a first event.  It has not been done before, so therefore you wouldn't see anything because Sirius indeed goes thru the veil.  But if they start the event of going back to chance things this time, then from there out you would notice the "saving" because they would have gone back and done it.

  Hence repeating the saving..  But like I said.  I strongly believe that you have to have a starting event to change or there is no point in going back.



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