Time turner theory

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 161854

Lana wrote:
> >
> > I disagree with your intrepretaion only because it does't take
into consideration that there has to be a beginning event in order for
you to go back and modify it.  Not because of what you say above.  If
Beaky didn't die, then why would you need to save him?  If Sirius
wasn't captured and "kissed", then why would they need to go back and
help him escape?  Your theory doesn't make sense to me at all.
> >
montims:
 
> But he would have died, or been Kissed, if they had not gone back. 
It did not happen because they DID go back.  Sarah's explanation makes
perfect sense to me...

Carol adds:

Exactly. Going back in time doesn't change what happened a
hypothetical first time. There is no first time. It just prevents what
would have happened had they not gone back. HRH think they're hearing
Macnair killing Buckbeak but they're actually hearing Macnair's axe
hitting the fence because Buckbeak has been rescued by
TimeTurned!Harry and Hermione. Harry thinks he's seeing his father
casting a Patronus, but he's actually seeing his Time!Turned self. ("I
knew I could do it because I'd already done it.") There is no
hypothetical "first time" that was changed. There's only the one time
that they lived through when Harry and Hermione were in two places at
once, as DD slyly informs Snape 9in the form of a rhetorical question
whose significance Fudge won't understand).

JKR uses the unreliable narrator, interpreting events from Harry's
perspective, to make the reader think that Buckbeak died, but he
didn't, nor did Sirius Black have his soul sucked. Those events were
*prevented*, not changed, by Harry and Hermione from the future.
Events can't be changed using a Time turner or Harry could prevent his
parents' deaths or save Sirius from Bellatrix and the Veil.
Voldemort's resurrection could also be undone if Harry could just grab
a Time Turner from the MoM and go back to events fo the previous year.
But Time!Turned Harry wasn't there when those events happened, so he
couldn't prevent them from happening. You can't bring back the dead;
you can't undo what's already happened. Not even in the HP books.

Carol, hoping we've seen the last of the Time Turners and that time
travel in Book 7 is restricted to memories placed in a Pensieve