Lily's defeat of Voldemort & Harry's vanquishment (Re: The Locked Room )

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 162085

> Bess:
> I think we know too little of Lily's life between school and her 
> death (and this applies a bit to James too) to do anything other 
> than pure conjecture.  I do think we will learn a whole lot more 
> about Lily in book 7 and that will probably be relevant and may 
> well help Harry with what he has to do.  Would certainly be very 
> nice to learn exactly what Lily and James did - especially how 
> they thwarted/escaped Voldemort 3 times and WHY! 

Jen: Since all we have as conjecture, might as well put forth an 
idea, huh <g>?  Just as Lily used no weapons or magical prowess to 
defeat Voldemort in her encounter, Harry will have extinguished all 
his own and his friends' best magical tricks when he faces Voldemort 
for the last time.  Like Lily, Harry will only be armed with 
the 'Power the Dark Lord knows not' and that will be enough just as 
it was for her and just as it was for Harry at the MOM when he 
expelled Voldemort from possessing him.   

In fact, I'd say the possession incident was foreshadowing for the 
ending in the locked room.  Voldemort was driven from Harry's body 
by his feelings of love *and* his feelings of loss, the 'wonderful 
and terrible' power which is also in the locked room.  

I don't see how the power in the locked room won't play a role in 
Harry's final vanquishment as it did in Lily's sacrifice.  My guess 
is Lily was drawn to study the power in the locked room because of 
who she was,  because she also had the power the 'Dark Lord knows 
not' and her instincts for saving others led to her sacrifice.  
Harry--with Lily's eyes, the windows to the soul--has those same 
instincts and will be able to vanquish Voldemort in a similar way. 

Some people object to the idea of defeating Voldemort with love and 
that's where the power in the locked room comes in--with that, 
Voldemort defeats *himself* and Harry simply has the instincts to 
get him there much as Lily had the instincts to bring no fancy magic 
or tricks to her final moment but allowed Voldemort to defeat 
himself at GH.

Bess: 
> I think it would be such poetic justice for Voldemort to be 
> vanquished by the power he so despises.

Jen: Yes, exactly, as happened before with Lily.  And probably again 
at the graveyard by taking Harry's blood.

> Jen previous:
> The pain Harry felt being possessed by LV is how I imagine 
> Voldemort feeling when he's in the locked room--terrible, 
> excruciating pain, so much that he wishes to die?? That would be
> an interesting parallel. 
 
>Bess: 
> Not sure whether Voldemort would actually wish to die - after all
> his whole life and existence has been devoted to NOT dying. Its
> almost the animal instinct to survive simply because when it
> really comes down to it, Voldemort is terrified of death. What
> will he see/experience if he went into the Locked Room???

Jen:  That's very true.  Not having experienced either the wonderful 
or terrible feelings love can bring I'm not exactly sure what he'd 
do.  It would be unbearable for him just as staying in Harry's body 
was though, imo.  You mentioned Kemper's post, #161983, and his 
suggestion was that Voldemort would walk himself through the Veil 
after time in the room.  I like that one. 

Bess:   
> What will be very interesting is how Harry would be able to get
> Voldemort to the Locked Room.  I don't think the last battle will
> start there. Maybe Harry (or rather Hermione as she is probably 
> bright enough to figure out how to do it) will set up a portkey. 
> This could be rather ironic if H/Hr can work together to trick 
> Voldemort to touch something that is actually a portkey and will 
> transport him to the MoM/Locked Room. Alternatively, perhaps Harry 
> could do precisely what Voldemort did to him and manage to trick V
> into going to the MoM in the same way that V tricked Harry in 
> Phoenix. That too would be rather ironic! Though in either 
> scenario, would Voldemort appreciate the irony? Dumbledore 
> probably would do!

Jen: Ack, I'm no good at the plotting aspects.  Yours work for me! 
One ironic twist could be Harry turning temptation onto Voldemort, 
luring him to the MOM for something *he* desperately wants, a 
Horcrux.  That would cover the irony right, Voldemort falling for a 
bait that means the world to him just as Harry fell for saving 
Sirius?  And no, I don't think LV would get the irony <g>.

Jen R.
(Hope you get a chance to post when you can Bess, on this or another 
thread, I did enjoy reading all your thoughts even though I went off 
on a tangent and didn't answer everything.)