Dumbledore Does Lie (Re: What turned Snape)

[dungrollin]

No: HPFGUIDX 158980

> > Mike wrote:
> > 
> > > And there is no way that Dumbledore could state positively 
that Snape didn't hear the whole prophesy. But, Dumbledore told us 
> that he only heard the first part. He could have told Harry that 
> Snape only heard the last part, the last sentence is essentially a 
> repeat of the first sentence (it wouldn't include the "thrice 
> defied" part, though). 
>  
> > Abergoat writes:
> > 
> > This is the only part I take issue with. We saw a spell used in 
> OotP that seals a room from Harry and the Weasley children 
listening in on an Order meeting. It is conceivable that Dumbledore, 
after the seventh month bit, realizes that the prophecy cannot refer 
to Snape and thus Snape is now an eavesdropper, not an involved 
party. Hence Dumbledore seals the room after the completion of this 
phrase.
> > 
> > If true, Dumbledore can say with absolute certainty in HBP's 
spider filled broomshed that he and Harry are the only two people 
that know the full contents of the prophecy.
> > 
> 
> Tonks:
<snip> 
> This could just be a mistake on the part of the author.  
<snip> 
> Or as you say, maybe DD used a spell to seal the room.
<snip> 
 

Dungrollin:
Personally I think everyone's forgotten the most obvious thing, 
which is that we don't know when Snape learned Occlumency, nor do we 
know who taught him (though I think most people would agree it comes 
down to a choice between DD and Voldy, and probably how you answer 
this question tells us which side of the DDM/ESE fence you sit.)

It's also possible that as Snape is listening at the door, Aberforth 
interrupts and challenges him, preventing Snape from hearing the end 
of the prophecy. Aberforth is unsatisfied with Snape's stammering 
that he came the wrong way up the stairs (and let's face it, how un-
Snapeish is that pathetic excuse? - it suggests to me that he's 
*not* used to all this cloak and dagger stuff yet, he really is just 
a young naive DE) and just as Sybil finishes the prophecy, Aberforth 
flings open the door, revealing Snape to Trelawney and DD.

DD tells Aberforth to hold onto Snape until his interview with 
Trelawney is finished, and it is then that DD realises with the help 
of Legilimency that Snape is not lying when he says he only heard 
the first part of the prophecy, or alternatively DD can tell that 
Snape *is* lying when he claims to have heard all of it and would be 
rushing off to tell his master directly.

A year (or whatever) later, when Snape returns to DD to convince him 
that he's really genuinely not on Voldy's side any more, DD says "ok 
you can spy for me, but first we've got to do something about your 
appallingly amateurish ability to lie. Now close your eyes and empty 
your mind..."

Well, I like it, anyway.

Dung