How much of the Prophecy Snape heard WAS: Dumbledore Does Lie

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 159006

Alla wrote:
> 
> Not necessarily, Montavilla offered alternative scenario and I have 
> another (not mine, Rebecca's I think), but the one which I really 
> like because it is so simple and Dumbledore is telling an absolute 
> truth here.
> 
> Snape hears the first part of the prophecy and Aberworth catches him 
> at that moment, but the first thing that Aberworth does is 
> casts "Muffliato" ( spelling?), so Snape is here, but does not hear 
> anything else and only after Aberworth casts it, then he opens the 
> door and pushes Snape for Dumbledore to see and Sybill comes out of 
> her trance now and sees Snape who is indeed there, but only heard
the first part because of Aberworth quick thinking.
> 
> I mean, I think it is perfectly logical IMO that the first thing 
> Aberworth would be concerned with is to protect his brother's
privacy and then smack Snape.

Carol responds:
Ones slight problem: Muffliato is Snape's own spell and I doubt that
many people know it, certainly not people as far removed from his
generation as Aberforth. He might have cast an Imperturbable charm
like the one that Mrs. Weasley puts on the kitchen door of 12 GP in
OoP (I'm guessing that's what Snape puts on the door to keep Wormtail
from listening in "Spinner's End" as well).

As for Aberforth's quick thinking, we have yet to see what he's
capable of, and I doubt that he could "smack Snape," who was probably
already very good at duelling (knew more hexes than most seventh years
when he was eleven). (We can't judge his abilities by a two-on-one
attack when he was caught unawares.)

What I don't understand is how Dumbledore (Albus, not Aberforth) could
just let Severus go if he suspected that he was a Death Eater and
might reveal the Prophecy (or part of it) to Voldemort, and yet
Trelwaney says that she saw him standing with "the uncouth bartender"
outside the door. And certainly, Snape does not seem to have been
kicked out before the Prophecy was completed whether he heard all of
it or not. 

Also I don't see how Trelawney could think he was eavesdropping for
job hunting tips when surely it was October or later and the teaching
positions for that year had been filled months before (except for the
sudden vacancy in Divination, presumably resulting from the former
teacher's death). At any rate, Severus Snape wasn't hired as Potions
Master until almost two years later, when Harry was about a year old
(say, July of the year of Godric's Hollow, judging from the date that
the booklists usually come out).

Actually, I don't understand any of it, and I hope that the two
versions can be reconciled somehow without our having to chalk it all
up to "oh, dear, maths" again. At any rate, I don't see how both
Dumbledore and Trelawney can be telling "the absolute truth" here, but
I'm willing to accept the possibility that Trelawney's memory is
muddled by time and cooking sherry.

Carol, who thinks that Snape and Aberforth have been working together
for years as part of Dumbledore's spy network and that Aberforth was
Snape's source for bezoars when he was Potions Master