Houseelves loyalty

[Cyril A Fernandes]

No: HPFGUIDX 159549

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Lana" <unicornspride at ...> 
wrote:
>
> > Kimberly here:
> > This is where I think the allegiance to the house comes in. If
> Kreacher wasn't
> > bound to the house but the family, then he would have passed on 
to
> the next
> > blood line in the Black family, not the next owner of the house. 
> It seems the
> > ownership of the house takes precedant over the family. Whomever 
owns
> > the house, gets Kreacher rather than whomever is next on the 
bloodline.
> > It's like splitting a hair, it is a very fine line I believe.
> 

Cyril:

Just thought I would throw my 2 knuts in.

IMO, the use of the term house does not represent the place 12 GP, 
but the House of Black - that is the bloodline. If for any reason, 
the Black family had decided to move say to 13 Grimmauld Mansion - 
Kreacher would still be serving them there.

As we saw in OotP, the Black family tree is called - The Noble and 
Most Ancient House of Black. It is in this reference that the term 
House is being used.

So, the question remains, why doesn't Kreacher pass onto someone 
within the BLack family rather than Harry. My answer on this a 
little further...
> 
> Lana:
>   But...  Harry is family and the owner of the house.  Isn't he?  
Since Sirius is Harrys God-Father, that makes him heir to the house 
and the son of a Black.  Maybe not by blood, but definately by law.  
Regardless of magical or non magical law.  They are bound by that 
which was made by Harrys parents and Sirius.  
>  
>   So either way, Harry is Kreacher's master.  Not that he really 
wants him. LOL
> 
>   This is just my take on it.
>  Lana
>


Yes - Harry is the owner of the house - not because he is family (he 
is not), and not because he is Sirius' god son.

It is because that was the will of Sirius that Harry be owner of all 
Sirius' personal possessions. This include not only 12 GP (including 
all its property - and remember that in the WW, the house elves are 
Property of the Wizarding family) but also Sirius' gold in Gringotts.

Only because of the will did this transfer of ownership take place - 
else all of Sirius' possessions may well have been Bellatrix's.

The test used by DD in Chapter Will and Won't is that if Kreacher is 
forced to obey Harry, then it is proof that Sirius' Will was 
working, and had overcome other barriers (charms placed on the house 
such as only belonging to a pure-blood etc) that may have prevented 
Harry taking ownership of all of Sirius' possessions.

Cyril - wondering why Vernon picked up on Sirius being dead, but not 
on the comment by DD about the (additional) gold owned by Harry in 
Gringotts.