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[hickengruendler]

No: HPFGUIDX 159814

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Miles" <miles at ...> wrote:
>
> Mike wrote:
> > Dumbledore didn't even close the door fully when he was in the 
room
> > interviewing Sibyll, he's a gentleman, you don't go to a stange
> > woman's room above the bar and close the door. He turned to leave.
> > When he was almost to the door, Sibyll starts into the prophesy.
> > Dumbledore stops and listens, when Sibyll finishes, Dumbledore 
hits
> > her with a stupefy, or the like, before she returns to normal. He
> > summons Snape and Aberforth upstairs from the bar and tells them 
to
> > make some noise in the hallway then bust into the room with the
> > story that this guy was eavesdropping. Dumbledore goes back into 
the
> > room and performs the counter-curse which revives Sibyll so she 
can
> > see Snape and Aberforth. Then Aberforth hustles Snape downstairs 
and
> > ejects him from the bar. In the mean time, Dumbledore tells Sibyll
> > that Snape is also seeking a job and was probably looking for
> > pointers on interviewing. After Dumbledore tells Sibyll that she 
has
> > the job, he excuses himself, goes down the back way and meets up
> > with Snape and maybe Abe. Dumbledore tells Snape which words to 
tell
> > Voldemort and sends him off.
> 
 
> > Sherry:
> > In other words, are you saying that you think Dumbledore, Snape
> > and Abe, purposely, coldly and with definite malice aforethought,
> > set up an innocent family, a child?  If this scenario is true, it
> > makes Dumbledore into a monster equal to Voldemort.  The way I'm
> > reading what you're saying is that DD told Snape what to say to
> > Voldemort.  He couldn't possibly have thought this would not cause
> > Voldemort to go after children born as the seventh month dies.  I
> > don't think JKR could conceivably call Dumbledore the epitome
> > of goodness and then try to have us swallow this scenario.
> 
> Miles:
> Harry was not born when the prophecy was made. There was no reason 
to
> believe that the wizard to vanquish the Dark Lord was yet to be 
born, he
> could as well been 75 years old then. As we know, it was LV who 
chose the
> person (here: the baby) that will be his end.

Hickengruendler:

"The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches".

That does not sound, as if he's already around on this planet.

"Born to those, who have thrice defied him."

Again, this rules out quite a lot of people. Nor many wizards and 
witches managed to meet Voldemort and survived to tell the tale, much 
less three times. Besides, Voldemort was only openly fighting society 
for around ten years at this time. The boys parents didn not have 
*that* much time.

"Born, when the seventh month dies"

Again, this clearly implies, that the boy will be born the following 
July. Particularly in addition to the very first line. The boy 
approaches and he will be there at the end of the following July. 
Admittingly, Voldemort did choose his equal, but the prophecy as 
worded made it pretty clear, that he had not that many people to 
choose from.

And even if, what change would it make? Let's say Dumbledore thought 
it possible, that, say, Voldemort thought Stubby Boardman or even 
someone really nasty like Lucius Malfoy were the one mentioned in the 
prophecy. Dumbledore knew, that this information would endanger 
*someone*, no matter whom. So that still makes the plan pretty evil, 
for someone, who is supposed to be the epitome of goodness. And as 
much as Rowling's writing of Dumbledore is sometimes dictated by the 
plot, I am sure she wouldn't go that far. 

Sorry, but I am not a fan of this theory, to put it mildly. It might 
explain a few minor inconsistencies in the plot, which have IMO been 
explained upthread anyway as good as they probably will in Canon, but 
it would be the nail in the coffin of Dumbledore's character, and I 
rather take the minor inconsistencies any day.

At least in regards to the Draco storyline, Dumbledore himself was 
the intended victim and he put himself in the line of fire. Granted, 
Ron and Katie were hurt, which is partly Dumbledore's fault, but at 
least he didn't intend them to get hurt.  

Hickengruendler