Draco and Dumbledore LONG, beware

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 160231

> Julie:
> Okay, I got it now. It still comes down to whether one trusts
> Dumbledore's judgment or not. You believe he should have left
> Snape entirely out of the equation, and perhaps even Draco,
> because they made their own beds, so to speak. I believe in
> Dumbledore's judgment, and that Snape is DDM and will prove
> to be even more necessary to Harry's defeat of Voldemort than
> Dumbledore could have been. Equally I believe Draco will
> contribute to the cause, probably by helping unite Slytherin
> with the other houses. That makes Dumbledore's gamble worth
> it, IMO, even though I also accept his words to Harry that
> the safety of his students was his paramount concern (and
> they did remain safe, even through the DE invasion).
>
> So fair enough. I'm rooting for wise Dumbledore, good if
> very flawed Snape, and truly reformed Draco. You're rooting
> for bad and heavily punished for it even if he does repent
> just slightly in the end Snape, not so wise and quite cold
> hearted Dumbledore (which it seems he must be in your
> scenario), and slightly-reformed but still out for himself
> Draco. I guess we'll find out which ones we get in Book 7 ;-)
>

Alla:

I am spending my last post for the day for basically thanking you
Julie, but also hoping that I will add something substantive, so will
not be in violation of the rules :)

So, thank you for acknowledging my position ( now I do not have to
think that I am going crasy and cannot explain what my position is),
thank you for respecting it even though you disagree with it.

Now, something of substance to add :), or basically just to clarify.

Yes, definitely you got my position as to Snape correctly - I **do**
believe that he made his own bed and he and only he should pay for it
and nobody else **but** him.

As to Draco - well, despite all my harsh words about him, I actually
have no problem with fully reformed Draco, I have no problem with
Dumbledore protecting him, as long as it is done in a bit different
way, namely not hesitating to restrain Draco a bit more than it was
done.

I cannot stand the character, but as I mentioned earlier strangely
enough my need to see him suffer was completed in HBP, I am fuly
satisfied, LOL.

Oh, and yes, you got it right that I think that we will see one
repentant deed from Snape at the end, but as I said, I won't be
surprised if Draco while never being friends with Harry or any Gryffs
will see the error of his ways.

One more thing just to be clear - so yes, that would make Dumbledore
gamble worht it, I am just saying that this is **JKR** foresight, not
Dumbledore and from the present moment it was not worth it.

Um, yeah, I think that is it.

Pleasure talking to you as always ( it is always an uncertainty to me
as to how clear I express myself), glad to know that it was clear to
you.


Pippin:
<SNIP of the whole post basically>

> Further, if Dumbledore was satisfied of Snape's intentions
> in taking the vow, then he could not condemn Snape for it.
>  As for us, since we have no idea what Snape's intentions
> were, we cannot condemn him at all, I guess. Of course 
> should it turn out that Snape's intentions were transparently 
> ignoble, I will of course bow to your greatness <g>.

Alla:

Um, since I am actually hesitant to be 100% sure even about theories 
I believe in, I cannot say with absolute certainty that I am right ;)

I mean even with Dumbledore's dead I would not say that it means that 
Snape's intentions are ignoble, but I would continue to think that it 
is a pretty big event supporting it.


Till JKR says otherwise of course.

JMO,

Alla