CHAPDISC: HBP 23, Horcruxes

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Snow previously:
> If Dumbledore suspected Harry to be directly connected with 
Voldemort in a Horcrux-like capacity, would he have told Harry? 
remember this is the man who kept the prophecy from Harry for five 
years. 

Goddlefrood:

This point, although well made, is not something I can agree with. At 
the point reached in the story in HBP Dumbeldore was beyond hiding 
information from Harry and if he suspected Harry or his scar could be 
a Horcrux he would certainly have mentioned this and not only made a 
vague allusion to it by showing that a living being could be a 
Horcrux.

Snow:

Don't you think that it would be a system overload for Harry to deal 
with the fact that all of his counted mentors are now deceased and he 
is not only the prophesy boy that has to kill or be killed but that 
he also has a prominent portion of Voldemort inside his living being?

Wouldn't Harry feel like so many of us suspected, that he is a 
possible Horcrux and would have to destroy himself in order to 
succeed in killing Voldemort? 

Harry wouldn't allow himself any luxury of time to think the matter 
over and rationalize that a living being could think for itself and 
therefore realize that he has the power to control that which resides 
within, which is exactly what Dumbledore needs Harry to recall. Harry 
acts on inpulse induced by recollection. 

The table turns where and when a Horcrux is created using a living 
soul, especially one that can think for themselves. Here's a question 
for those who believe that Nagini is a Horcrux; how can a snake such 
as Nagini or any other snake think for themselves and does a snake 
have a soul that can choose? Was Dumbledore really speaking of Nagini 
here or was he speaking of a living soul that actually could think 
for himself? 

As for not hiding anything anymore from Harry I would have to say 
balderdash. Harry is persistent all year about Draco's attempts with 
little consolation from Dumbledore and yet Dumbledore, in the end, 
admits that he knew of Draco's attempts but could not let on for fear 
of Draco's safety. Did Dumbledore admit this to Harry until the tower 
scene, well no! 

Did Dumbledore admit to Harry why he trusts Snape, no again
why? The 
boy either can't be trusted with the information lest Voldemort gain 
access or it isn't time for Harry to learn such crucial information 
because Harry is already under a system overload and cannot fully 
rationalize the situation. 

Dumbledore speaks in code and Harry deciphers the code when the 
moment of clarity becomes relevant to Harry's sane and understanding 
rational. 
 

Goddlefrood:

On this point, like Dumbledore, I am particularly fierce, neither 
Harry nor his scar is a Horcrux. Book 7 will reveal the truth of 
course but I have had a reasonable success rate with predictions I 
made before book 6 came out.

Snow:

I am never too adamant about my predictions; I can sincerely 
appreciate yours and others non-acceptance to Harry and/or his scar 
having become a Horcrux, although I have suggested neither 
circumstance. 

Harry is equal to Voldemort according to the prophecy; Harry does 
have a bit of Voldemort in him according to Dumbledore; and Harry has 
displayed uncanny knowledge over Voldemort's feelings via his scar, 
therefore I must conclude that there is a part of Voldemort within 
Harry no matter how you slice the bread. 

We need to get past the Horcrux tie. Harry is not a Horcrux but he 
does appear to obtain characteristics of a Horcrux, which is in fact 
a portion of Voldemort
how can it not be. 

For lack of a better terminology most people, who believe, refer to 
Harry as a Horcrux or unintentional Horcrux when in fact Harry, and 
the situation surrounding him, is unique. As Dumbledore explains a 
living soul would be an inadvisable subject to endow with such a 
commodity (a piece of soul) and further more inadvertently explains 
that Voldemort didn't intend on bestowing any power on Harry and yet 
he did. 

How did Harry receive powers that Voldemort possesses and feel pain 
when Voldemort is outraged unless there is a connection? Why would 
Dumbledore take such utter interest in an orphan boy and protect and 
teach him to such great lengths unless he knew that Harry Was in fact 
the only way to defeat Voldemort? 


JKR can twist and turn this to any liking given the circumstance 
that `it is inadvisable to bestow a portion of soul to another living 
soul that can think and act for itself'. 

Snow

Long Live Non-Horcrux Harry! The boy who had Soul