Dumbledore's lapses of Information (Was:CHAPDISC: HBP 23, Horcruxes)

[Goddlefrood]

No: HPFGUIDX 160339

> Snow:
> As for not hiding anything anymore from Harry I would have to say 
> balderdash. 

Goddlefrood:

You are correct from the standpoint of the two instances cited 
(Dumbledore's suspicions of Draco and his failure to trust Harry with 
the real reason he trusted Snape).

Having said this on the latter point at least Dumbledore offers an 
explanation for trusting Snape, which has been analysed by numerous 
contributors to this list and found wanting. All I would say on this 
is that while the stated reason may not seem enough it may well be 
truly the reason Dumbledore trusted Severus.

Regarding hiding his views on Draco the explanation proffered atop 
the Tower when discussing the matter with Draco himself would fit 
with Dumbledore's reluctance to inform Harry of absolutely 
everything relative to Draco. Harry is hardly discrete and had 
Dumbledore shown he was of the same view as Harry earlier with Harry 
himself how long do you suppose Draco would have lasted?

To allow Draco's plot to reach fruition was arguably something 
Dumbledore wanted.

In respect now of the information Dumbledore supplied regarding 
Horcruxes themselves I formed the view while reading the relevant 
chapter under discussion that Dumbledore gave Harry all the 
information he had. That he did not mention Harry or his scar as a 
potential Horcrux strengthened my opinion that neither Harry nor his 
scar is a Horcrux. Dumbledore could have no reason to suppress that 
particular information.

> Snow:
> Harry is equal to Voldemort according to the prophecy; Harry does 
have a bit of Voldemort in him according to Dumbledore; and Harry has 
displayed uncanny knowledge over Voldemort's feelings via his scar, 
therefore I must conclude that there is a part of Voldemort within 
Harry no matter how you slice the bread. 
 
> We need to get past the Horcrux tie. Harry is not a Horcrux but he 
does appear to obtain characteristics of a Horcrux, which is in fact 
a portion of Voldemort
how can it not be. 

Goddlefrood:

Dumbledore said that LV had transferred some of his powers to Harry 
the night he obtained the scar, which is an important distinction.

A Horcrux in and of itself does not appear to have power, except to 
revive the person who has need of reviving. It seems you suggest that 
a Horcrux is a power in itself.

The Horcrux is the vessel for storing the external portion of soul, 
unless I'm much mistaken. For any particularly interested in the 
various ways in which external souls work there is available Chapter 
66 "The External Soul in Folk-Tales" by Sir James George Frazer from 
The Golden Bough. THis is at Bartlebys and other literature sites.

The only power attributed to the external soul is to keep the owner 
of the soul alive no matter what happens and this aspect of the myth 
appears to have been adhered to by JKR. In fact it is quite likely 
that she followed the legend of Koschei the Deathless whose soul was 
outside his body and there were seven levels of protection (although 
not seven separate soul pieces) to destroy in order that he could 
himself die.

Just some thoughts

Goddlefrood