Views of Hermione /some Peter

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> > > Alla,
> > >
> > > who wishes that Marauders had in their mist somebody as ruthless
as
> > > Hermione to mark traytor before he did any serious damage.
>
> Pippin:
> But they did! Barty Sr. made sure the traitor was hauled off to
Azkaban
> before he could hurt anyone else. Just like Hermione in CoS, he got
> the wrong man, too.

Alla:

I suspect that this comparison is made in jest, but Hermione **did**
get the right traitor in OOP, didn't she?

So, I think she did better job than Barty dear altogether, but I was
thinking more of Marauders school years. I highly suspect that despite
all Peter's hero worship of James and Sirius, he did something very
close to what Marietta did in school (action, not circumstances, do 
not
ask me about circumstances, I am just speculating wildly, since the
unknown which is likely to become known is the Prank, I suspect may
have something to do with it), and if they had somebody who knew how 
to
protect their secrets better, maybe Marauders would have seen Peter's
true colours in school already.

But of course we would have no story then.


> Tesha:
> <HUGE SNIP>
> 5. I also believe that you are taking apart story lines to prove 
your
> points. Hermione had to make the polijuice potion because JKR needed
> an excuse for the 3 to become familiar with the bathroom where 2 
would
> later enter the CoS.

Alla:

It made me chuckle. That **is** what we do here among other things, 
you
know? :)

Yeah, JKR needed Hermione to brew polijuice to move story along, just
as JKR needed Dumbledore to leave Harry with child abusers and take 
him
from the appointed guardian.

The fact that I see the need for these actions outside of the story,
does not make me want to slap Dumbledore any less and I am guessing
this is the type of the reaction Magpie is having.


> Magpie:
> Funny, sure. But it doesn't need to be totally correct for it to be
> funny. <SNIP>

Alla:

No, totally correct it is not and I never said it is, or at least did
not mean to say that it is.

What I **am** saying though that this is investigation to catch the
murderer of muggle borns ( real and/or potential one) and as such, I
fully excuse any rule breaking resulting from it.

I wanted to address another point of yours, but could not find the
right quote, so correct me if I am misstating. You said something to
the effect that parents of Crabb and Goyle would not be impressed that
it was done to their kids.

Sure, they would not be, but they were suspected of helping out the
murderer of muggleborns and the answer I would have for them - next
time your children should better stay away from Draco Malfoy.

Of course since those two also have DE parents, that was not going to
happen.

Sorry, but the fact that those guys **are** DE children does matter to
me in deciding whether they deserved what happened to them. IMO of
course.

>> Magpie:
> That's not saying much of them all, because her sneak hex does 
> absolutely nothing to counteract any of these dangers.  If not for 
> circumstances nobody could have forseen the sneak hex would have 
> simply been a comfort to Hermione as she left Hogwarts.

Alla:

Doesn't it show the moment dear Marietta started talking? Sure, 
better job could have been done, but they do learn who the traitor 
is, IMO.


wynnleaf:
<HUGE SNIP>
> 4.  Hex supporters feel strongly that Marietta should apologize for
> what she did and be sorry.  Strange how they forget that she'd been
> obliviated and can't even remember anything about the DA, much less
> going to it.  But (not yet in this discussion) hex supporters have 
in
> the past commented that they're certain that the obliviation wasn't
> permanent, even though all the canon evidence we have is that those
> sorts of memory modifications are permenant.  

Alla:

Amiable Dorsai already addressed all your points to my satisfaction, 
but I want to add something to this one. Uh, no I do not forget that 
Marietta was obliviated, but I would find it very strange if Cho did 
not fill her in later on on what she did. I speculate that she knows, 
even if the obliviation is permanent, which is quite likely.

Besides, do we know how **much** of her memory was obliviated - did 
they obliviate only the fact that DA was in the room of Requirement 
and Marietta wanted to tell that or did they obliviate right from the 
moment Marietta came to the first meeting?

I am not sure I remember such long term memory charm in canon, 
although could be wrong of course.

So, if she does remember first meeting, would be even more natural 
for her to ask Cho what happened IMO.


 

Wynnleaf:
> But the biggest thing that interests me is how a discussion on
> Hermione's willingness to harm others including the innocent, trick
> innocent individuals, lie, steal, and otherwise break  rules in 
order
> to get her way is diverted into this one issue of Marietta, 
apparently
> for the purpose of being able to argue that in this case, the person
> deserved it, completely overlooking the main point, which is that
> Hermione doesn't really *care* if a person deserves what happens to
> them, as long as she gets the result she wants.

Alla:

Main point that Hermione does not really care whether the person 
deserves it or not?

Okay, could you give me an example, where Hermione harmed somebody 
who did not deserve it, somebody who was not suspected of DE or DE 
related, murderous activities? 

If you argue that Hermione is a bit too ruthless in making herself a 
judge, in deciding that she knows best, always, I somewhat agree, not 
all the way, but agree.

I completely disagree with Pippin by the way that it is good that 
Hermione just as Dumbledore consults only with herself, I sincerely 
hope she learns that this is wrong before it is too later.

But if you are saying that Hermione does not care whom she punishes, 
I completely disagrees, I think she cares very much and she only 
punishes bad guys ( whether she has a right to do so, that is a 
different story)

JMO,

Alla