[HPforGrownups] Re: Views of Hermione

[Magpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 160546

> Charles:
>
> It comes down to what you'd like to see happen. Would you prefer that the 
> only person who can defeat Voldemort, and 26 other students be expelled 
> and get their wands snapped, leaving them defenseless- or the person who 
> would condemn them to that fate suffer disfigurement that would warn the 
> DA and give them a chance to escape?

Magpie:
As has been pointed out, that isn't the choice anyone is facing, because the 
disfigurement does not prevent any of that.  If Hermione has simply made a 
hex that prevented anyone from telling and warned the leaders when anyone 
attempted to do so and failed, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 
Imo, Hermione's hex shows clearly what her priorities are, and they aren't 
so intelligent.

Charles:
She did, however, state that anyone who put their name on the parchment was 
agreeing to maintain their silence-insufficient,yes, but she did imply a 
contract was being signed.

Magpie:
No, she didn't.  She implied that she didn't want anybody in her club to 
tell anyone.  Her language is, iirc, even particularly wishy-washy for 
Hermione.  Everyone, including Ron and Harry, is surprised to learn there's 
any sort of hex on the contract.

Charles:
What seems to keep getting lost in the shuffle here is that justice and 
revenge go hand in hand. When any society imprisons a lawbreaker, when a 
student is punished for an infraction, etc. what is happening is socially 
sanctioned revenge.

Magpie:
It's not being lost in the shuffle, it's being outright disagreed with. 
Justice and revenge are two different things.  Justice is, in fact, often 
what you'd find yourself on the receiving end of if you took revenge on your 
own.  The justice system is not all about helping people fill their appetite 
for revenge.

Eggplant:
Good heavens, don't you think Hermione had a reason to be angry with 
Skeeter, or are you suggesting that a good person should never get
angry at anyone for any reason?

Magpie:
Carol didn't say Hermione had no reason to be angry with Skeeter, she drew a 
distinction between feeling angry and what you did as a result of your 
anger.  What Rita did, iirc, is write about Hermione's love life in her 
magazine, including certain facts Hermione herself didn't tell her, and 
quotes from others that were misleading.  Other people read the articles and 
wrote Hermione angry letters.

-m