Hermione's Hex vs Snape on the Tower LONG (was:Re: Views of Hermione)

[a_svirn]

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> Alla:
> 
> But, but but the defensive part meaning that this would be the 
> defense against Umbridge, no? That they will know and Umbridge will 
> not be able to do anything to them?
> 
> Betsy: 
> > So, coming at the hex from the point of view (my pov <g>) that it 
> > does not take place in a war footing and that it was created to be 
> > punitive, the hex becomes a repulsive mockery of justice.  It 
> stinks 
> > of lynch mobs and kangaroo courts.
> <SNIP>
> 
> 
> Alla:
 
> The thing is as I said above - I cannot grasp how it can be viewed 
> anything else but that, but I of course respect your right to view 
> it that way, I am just regretting that I cannot place myself in your 
> shoes :( ( that is when debate has a cool conclusion to me, when I 
> get were opposing POV comes from) 

a_svirn:
It is also Marietta's POV.  *She* signed in – without much enthusiasm
-- as a member of a study group.  As such she should have had a right
to quit without any fear of reprisal. Could she quit? I am not sure.
Hermione used the proverbial peer pressure quite shamelessly (and in
the end quite stupidly) to bully everyone present into sighing the
list. That she also tricked them into signing a magical contract of
sorts was indeed a shabby trick – Cho is quite right about that. 
Hermione herself engineered a situation when unwilling members of DA
who wanted out would turn to authorities for help. And, honestly, even
those who were quite loyal would probably think twice before trust
Hermione now. I certainly would in their place.  

> Alla: 
> Right now canon screams to me - those kids are in war against 
> Umbridge and prepare themselves to fight against Voldemort, so I am 
> unable to reduce it to just study group, that is just not there to 
> me.
> 
> But in any event, say you would agree that this was an act of war 
> and defensive measure, would you then view Hermione's actions 
> differently, just as you view Snape's?

a_svirn:
Yes, Hermione and some others regarded the whole thing as a form of
resistance. NOT that they (even Hermione at that point) saw themselves
as some sort of guerrilla army or an underground paramilitary group.
Yes, they rebelled against Umbridge, maybe even against the Ministry,
but NOT against Voldemort. There is nothing in canon to suggest that
DA was a military secret society whose mission was fighting
Voldemort.At best it was about self-defence. You don't need a secret
network to learn self-defence, however. The need for secrecy had
nothing to do with Voldemort and everything to do with Umbridge.