Harry as a Horcrux theory

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 157827

KJ wrote:
<sniP>
>      My feeling is that Dumbledore had suspicions that Harry might
be carrying a piece of Voldemort. We have Harry missing for several
hours after the attack on Godric's Hollow, and we have conversation
between Hagrid and Minerva at Hogwarts. It seems likely that Harry was
taken to Madam Pomfrey to be checked out, at least for injuries before
being taken to the Dursleys.  Dumbledore was the only one who had
heard the entire prophesy, assuming, of course, that we have heard the
entire prophesy. He knew that Harry had been "marked as his equal."

Carol responds:
Yes, we know from CoS and the Parseltongue business that there's a
"bit" of Voldemort in Harry--not necessarily a soul bit, but certainly
some of Voldemort's powers. But would Dumbledore have taken Harry to
Madam Pomfrey? Given the next step in the process you outline (Snape
and his Dark Mark), wouldn't DD have had his young Dark Arts expert
examine Baby!Harry? ("Professor Snape knows a lot more about the Dark
Arts than Madam Pomfrey, Harry," HBP, quoted from memory). Not only
would Snape know what to look for, he'd be right there on the scene,
having already showed up to tell DD about the fading Dark Mark. And
we'd have an ironclad reason for DD to trust snape. they'd have been
working together to save Harry and figure out how to fight Voldemort
from the beginning.
> 
KJ:
>      Dumbledore would have known very quickly that Voldemort wasn't 
> precisely dead and gone because of Snape's Dark Mark. (of course I
am a DDM believer). I believe that Snape would have been able to tell
that the mark was faded but still active. In fact, Snape's mark has
been important to the plot all along.  He would have suspected
Voldemort's use of a horcux at that time, and begun his search for
information.

Carol responds:
Yes, I agree that Snape must have shown DD his Dark Mark, as I've
stated in other posts. Otherwise, I don't see how DD could have
arrived at the conclusion that Voldemort wasn't dead. And I think that
both of them would have suspected the existence of a Horcrux at this
point. (Only one Horcrux would have been needed; the idea that there
was more than one Horcrux would have occurred after the diary was
destroyed.) By "he" do you mean snape or DD? I think they've been
working together all along. (Needless to say, I also believe in
DDM!Snape. But you know that already.)

<snip stuff on whether DD's plan is consistent with the "epitome of
goodness">
> 
KJ:
>      We also don't know if Voldemort has any idea what might be
causing the connection between himself and Harry. We do know from HBP
that he occludes against Harry to prevent him knowing what is being
plotted. I suspect that Snape was kept out of the loop because of his
contact with Dumbledore. If Voldemort is convinced that Snape is not
an Occlumens, he would not want to risk Dumbledore discovering the
plan in Snape's mind. 

Carol responds:
I'm not quite sure what you mean here. However, I don't think that
Voldemort know Snape is an Occlumens who's so good at it that he can
lie without being detected. Otherwise, LV would never say anything in
front of Snape or believe anything he says. And it would be suicide,
IMO, for DDM!Snape to tell Voldemort that he was giving Harry
Occlumency lessons because that would give away Snape's great secret.
I'm not talking about the ordinary, easily detectable Occlumency that
even Draco can do. I'm talking about snape as "superb Occlumens" who
can conceal memories and emotions without being detected.

KJ (out of sequence--sorry):
So, in Book 7, we know that Harry has some horcruxes to get rid of, we
know that Snape is going to play a part somehow, and we know that
Voldemort has to be stopped, because that is basically the challenge
facing the heroes. We know that Snape has obeyed Dumbledore implicitly
throughout the books but we do not know if that is going to continue.
<snip>
>      So, on that basis I can see the book ending in several ways:
> 
> 1.	Voldemort kills Harry, the last "horcrux" and Snape kills
Voldemort while he is dancing a jig over Harry.
> 
> 2.	Harry kills Voldemort, a lucky accident, and Snape snuffs Harry.
> 
> 3.	Harry and Snape kill Voldemort, Snape knows he is a horcrux but
can't 
> bring himself to obey Dumbledore's last orders. We are left
wondering if Voldemort returns.
> 
> 4.	The Prime Minister advises the British military that there is a
terrorist cell operating out of the old Riddle house, and they 
> obligingly blow all three of our characters out of existance.:-)

Carol responds:
I take it that the last suggestion is a joke. the third seems too
inconclusive but at least consistent with DDM!Snape. But I don't see
how you can reconcile the first two with DDM!Snape unless Snape is
both DDM! and evil.

Maybe the problem is the Harry!Horcrux idea itself, which does seem
unresolvable.

I agree that Snape has an important role to play, that he's DDM!, that
Harry needs Snape's Dark Arts expertise to deal with the Horcruxes
(which Snape has known about or suspected all along), and that Snape
probably had a role in examining and protecting Harry after GH and in
figuring out what happened there. But I don't think that Harry will
die (this is a kids' series, after all) or that Snape would kill him.
And I don't see a reasonable way out of the Harry!Horcrux problem if
that's what he is. (Surely Dumbledore, who supposedly told Harry
everything he needs to know to defeat LV [except why he trusts Severus
Snape, which would have been helpful!] would have told Harry that he
could be an accidental Horcrux, if such a thing were possible, and I'm
not at all convinced that it is?)

If we look at other *powers* that Harry acquired when Voldemort
"marked him as his equal," for example, possession, maybe we have our
answer.

Carol, who agrees with Quirrell that Snape hates Harry but doesn't
want him dead