Fwd: Re: Harry as a Non-crux - Soul Pieces in Context

[doug rogers]

No: HPFGUIDX 157931

Ken:
... believe Slughorn's version then on the night
of the attack at GH the part of Voldemort's soul that was in his body
was sent into the next life and something, his spirit(?), was anchored
to the Earth by his horcruxes. This spirit(?)lived on because of the
horcruxes and now inhabits his regenerated body which would then seem
to have no soul except for the bits stored in horcruxes.

doug:
I can see the confusion engendered by the different terms 'soul' vs  
'spirit'. I have always read them as the same thing. The synonyms for  
'soul' are many and varied, and some have their own meaning which  
excludes the soul-concept overlap.

As to what it means here, it can be read as such, that the spirit of  
Voldemort -Vapourmort- was not the soul of Voldemort.

I would choose to err on the side of simplifying the nature of soul,  
rather than parcelling it up into finer and finer discrete bits.

Ken:
[Dumbledore] says
that the seventh piece of Voldemort's soul, the part that was in his
body at GH, was that part of him that lived on all those years when he
had no body and it now inhabits his regenerated body. On the same page
DD says that all his horcruxes remained intact. That implies that
*none* of Voldemort's soul was sent on the night of the GH attack.

doug:
… of course, because the seventh soul - usually inhabiting Body - bit  
was anchored by the horcruxes to this mortal plane.

Ken: If that isn't the case then DD really, really,
really needed to comment on Slughorn's (apparent) mistake since it is
*absolutely critical* that Harry understand how horcruxes really work.
His silence is a HUGE mistake if it isn't just an editing error on
Rowling's part.

doug:
There are some who think that Dumbledore is infallible and should  
explain everything. Until the seventh book is published, and the  
story is wrapped up nice and tidy, I read everyone with great  
skepticism.

BTW I come down on the side of Harry-has-a-soul-bit-but-isn't-a- 
horcrux side of this whole thing. Hello Carol.... :-)

bboyminn:
Since some aspects of his soul were still embodied
(stored in the Horcruxes) on earth, the core part of
his soul could not cross over to the afterlife. So with
regard to souls /dying/ or crossing over, it is /all or
nothing/.

doug:
Fascinating.

bboyminn:
Since, the Free Soul Piece are not embodied, they do not
act as anchors to hold Voldemort to the earth. They are
simply waiting around until it is possible for all aspect
of the soul to cross over.

So Voldemort, despite parcelling out bits of himself has 100% soul,  
not 1/7th or 1/64th... ?
and Voldemort can continue to draw on the power of his complete  
soul... hmmm...

I have heard this idea expressed one other place. generally it has  
been thought that once a soul bit has been 'freed' from it's  
embodiment it moves on.

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