Cabinet FIRST! - Hogwarts Attacked!

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 157961

Owww... this whole thing has gotten mucked up and it's 
partly (totally?) my fault. First, we are off on a new
subjects, related but new. So, I should have changed the
Subject heading to read -

"Hogwarts Attacked! (was: Cabinet FIRST!)"

I was responding to a comment made by Clifford Vander 
Yacht in post #157903. He made the following comment -

"LV has lost most of his supporters of value in the MoM 
battle. He has Bellatrix, Narcissa, Draco, Goyle and 
maybe Snape. That's not enough to take over Hogwarts as 
a school."

That was the part I was responding to. Cliff's assertion
that Voldemort didn't have enough resources to take over
the school. 

So, I made up a hypothetical scenario which indicated 
that it was /possible/ that the /existing plot/ was 
actually a plot to take over Hogwarts. However, the 
existing plot was met with so much unanticipated 
resistance that they had to scale it back.

Cliff also said -

"Of course, the school would have far fewer students, 
just full bloods and maybe some half-bloods, and of 
parents who don't mind having LV in charge."

A secondary aspect of modifying the existing plan was to 
point out that Voldemort has no interest in /running/ the
school. He is not going to let them all go home, then 
invite them all back to the /new/ school with him as the
/new/ headmaster. That would be stupid beyond belief.

The stragegic advantage to capturing the school is 
holding all the students hostage. If he holds the school 
and it's students, he has essentailly won the war. 

So, in that sense, Cliff was right, Voldemort has no 
interest in taking over Hogwarts "as a school". But can
anyone deny that IF he holds the school and the students
he has essentially won the war? 

---  "Sydney" <sydpad at ...> wrote:

> 
> Sydney:
> 
> Wait... what?  Am I missing something here?  I confess
> I haven't read every single post on this thread(s), but
> I hadn't realized that the "Cabinet-first" plot 
> *included* Dumbledore somehow being lured into 
> crippling himself in the Horcrux hunt.  
>

bboyminn:

No need to have read every post because we are off on a 
new tagental subject here. So, no Dumbledore being weak 
was not part of the real plan or the hypothetical plan. 

Harry and Dumbledore went off and did what they did, 
that's a fact. Dumbledore came back in the condition that
he came back in that is a fact. Dumbledore's actions 
aren't controlled by the plan at all; he still went to 
the cave, he still drank the potion, he still came back 
weak. Those are facts that are in no way tied to the DE 
plan, though, they did work to the DE's advantage.

My point in creating my alternate hypothetical plan was
simply to show how the existing plan /could/ have been
a plan to take over Hogwarts /if/ everything had gone in
favor of the DE's. 

BUT since the plan was a muck-up from the first step,
and they were forced to scale it back, we can't say that
it /was/ or /wasn't/ a plan to take over Hogwarts. 

Remember, whatever Voldemort's plan was in the very 
beginning, does not necessarily reflect what his plan was
at the very end. Draco succeeded in fixing the cabinet, 
regardless of his original motivations, Voldemort now had
a way to get a force of DE's into the castle by stealth, 
he had a real chance of actually killing Dumbledore, and
with Dumbledore out of the way, he had a real chance to 
take over the school.

I'm not saying that the plan /was/ a plan to take over the 
school, I'm saying that we can't know with certainty that
it was not. 

My hypothetical plan was simply a way of showing how the
existing plan /might/ have gone /if/ things had worked to
the DE's advantage, and how it had the theoretical
potential to actually be a plan to capture Hogwarts.

Sorry for the confusion, and hoping I haven't created more.

Steve/bboyminn