Sirius, Sirus, and more Sirius (was: Petunia/Headmaster/LVatHogwarts/Mo...)

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> > Alla:
> > 
> > Sirius agreed for Dumbledore to give child to Dursleys? Do you 
mind 
> > referring me to the quote? I don't mean him agreeing to release 
> > Harry to Dumbledore's care, but agreeing that Harry would stay 
with 
> > Dursleys.
> > 
> > I could have forgotten it, since I do that sometimes, so  do you 
> > mind refreshing my memory?
> >  
> Pippin:
> 'But I'd had me orders from Dumbledore, an' I told Black no, 
Dumbledore
> said Harry was ter go ter his aunt an' uncle's. Black argued, but 
in the
> end he gave in. Told me ter take his motorbike ter get Harry 
there.'
> --PoA ch 10

Alla:

Oh, thanks Pippin. At least he argued. And I certainly need to 
reread PoA. I seem to start forgetting important dialogue. As I said 
though I don't see Sirius agreement ( after argument) to make 
Dumbledore's actions looking better. I want to see some further 
investigating than just saying Sirius was a secret keeper, then he 
automatically guilty. It smells too much of Barty and Fudge and 
leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, unfortunately.

 
> Alla:
> > And **of course** Dumbledore did what he felt was best.  My 
> > questions is best for whom.
> > If as Julie said he did it for the best interests of the child, 
that 
> > is one story. You seem to be sure of that. I **want** to be sure 
of 
> > that, because despite my numerous problems with OOP 
> Dumbledore I do  not want to see him as manipulative bastard, 
> but so far I am not  sure **at all**
> 
> Pippin:
> It is like the kindertransport in WW2 where loving German Jewish 
> families sent their children to an uncertain fate in Britain. Most 
of
> the children were treated well but some weren't. Still they were 
> safer than they would have been in Germany. 

Alla:

Sirius argued, which to me implies that he did not really want to 
send Harry there and he is family, not Dumbledore, no? Yes he 
yielded to Albus Dumbledore after argument, which certainly was not 
wise of him and he was fixated on Peter, unfortunately too, but 
Dumbledore having a right to make this decision - not sure.

 
> 
> > Alla:
<SNIP>
> > I cannot help but wondering if someone lied to Dumbledore that 
> > Sirius was present with Voldemort in Godric Hollow and that what 
> > forced his hand to take Harry away from Sirius as soon as 
possible.
> 
> Pippin:
> If that was the case DD would have warned Hagrid, but Hagrid didn't
> know. More likely Voldemort had planted additional evidence blaming
> Sirius because he wanted the real spy to be able to continue in 
his useful
> role. 

Alla:

Not necessarily. In this line of speculation Dumbledore may not have 
expected Sirius to show up to get Harry, maybe he thought that 
Sirius would run away since his master is supposedly dead.

Although even what you are saying - planting additional evidence to 
blame Sirius is in essense comes to the same thing to me - meaning 
that Dumbledore should have had more information than we know, one 
way or another.

I am not excluding someone in invisibiluty cloak planting those 
evidence. ;)

my speculation of course nothing more.

Alla