Sirius, Sirus, and more Sirius/ Blood protection/ Dumbledore and Harry

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No: HPFGUIDX 158477

> Tonks:
> We don't know what went on behind the scenes. We know that some 
time 
> elapsed and we have all speculated as to what happened and why. 
<SNIP>


Alla:

Well, yes. And that is precisely why I am leaving a room for 
mitigating circumstances for Dumbledore. He does not look good to me 
with the information I have now, but I certainly leave a room for 
possibility that there is something else I am not aware about ... or 
not.


Tonks:
> Whatever it was, I think that DD would know to do the correct 
thing. 
> After all he is the wisest and most powerful of them all.  He 
would 
> understand things about the blood protection that most others 
would 
> not.  

Alla:

And he also says that his mistakes are of bigger magnitude than 
others (paraphrase) and that I believe too. He may have understand 
the things about blood protection others do not, it is just I want 
to know the reasons for his decision - **why** he came up with blood 
protection. In short - I don't buy the Dumbledore would do correct 
thing just because he is Dumbledore, you know? Just does not sit 
right with me.

Tonks: 
> This was an unusual situation.  No one had ever survived an AK 
> before.  AFAWK, There was never a prophesy like this one before.  
> This little baby was the hope of the world.  The whole world, WW 
and 
> MW was on his shoulders. 
<SNIP>


Alla:

What you just described is precisely manipulative Dumbledore I 
detest so much, **but** it is certainly one of the possibilities, 
but then Dumbledore should not have said so many times how much he 
loves Harry IMO - not **weapon** Harry, but just Harry.

It is those conflicting messages I get from Dumbledore that 
frustrate me so much - if he indeed cares only for Harry as weapon, 
come out and say so, the thing is I am not so sure he does.

Good of many does not always get priority over the well being of 
one, IMO. Just look at the lengths Israelis are always always 
willing to go to save even one hostage, how many soldiers are 
risking their lives for that (I am not even talking about today 
situation, but about many situations in the past, when every single 
life counts). If Dumbledore ruthlessly decided that Harry's life 
does not 
matter, that this kid should suffer in order to save the world later 
on, well, Russian language is famous not only for the great writers, 
but for some very strong words, which then I would like to tell to 
Dumbledore. :)

The thing is I don't think he did do that, especially based on HBP. 
I think he indeed truly loved Harry, but his previous decisions in 
my book goes in conflict with that. That is the case where in my 
book 
character suffers for the sake of plot. Maybe indeed JKR did not 
know whether her other books will even be published and for 
Cinderella story, Harry certainly should have stayed with Dursleys, 
but for later books, it is just not sitting well with me. In fact, 
while I am angry at Dumbledore for not checking on Harry later on 
and making sure that he is treated okay (yes, I know the arguments 
that maybe he could not have, but I am not buying them), I always 
sort of accepted that the initial decision to leave Harry there was 
the only option Dumbledore had, I just wanted the reasons why blood 
protection is the safest one to be spelled out clearer.

But as I recently realized and mentioned on list - I very 
embarrassingly forgot Sirius remark that he was indeed an appointed 
guardian, that is why now to me even Dumbledore's initial decision 
does not pass scrutiny of "that is how the conflicted man who is 
forced to act to save the baby behaved" and instead pushes me back 
to contemplate whether Dumbledore is indeed a manipulative bastard.

Here is another related thing, which I cannot let go of. As we know 
Potters turned down Dumbledore's offer to become a secret keeper for 
them, except we don't know why, unless I again forgot something 
important. :(

One can of course argue that James was arrogant, etc,etc.

Since I am not into that line of reasoning at all ( I always 
remember that Lily was a very strong woman and IMO would not have 
allowed James to make any decisions without her), I am forced to 
look into other reasons.

I speculate that Potters thought that they had a reason to mistrust 
Dumbledore. **NO** I am not arguing evil Dumbledore or anything of 
similar nonsense. :)

All that I am saying that it is possible that the webs of lies and 
mistrust that Voldemort weaved around members of the original order 
went very deep, maybe even deeper than we know and I want to know 
**who** did it ( Shhhhh, Pippin ;)) As we know Sirius and Remus 
suspected each other, and I also speculate that maybe someone told 
James and Lily that Dumbledore for some reason is not worthy of 
their trust ( if that happened, then Dumbledore's not respecting his 
wishes is even more annoying, but this is of course speculation on 
the top of speculation).

Was there somebody who whispered lies and ugly suspicions about one 
another to members of original OOP?


Tonks:
 And DD is the head of the highest court in 
> the WW.  He **is** the one to make a decision of this magnitude.  
> For all we know the whole court could have met, or the inner core 
if 
> there is one.  

Alla:

Yes, of course - if learn that something like that happened, that is 
entirely different story.

Tonks:
> Harry is not just a baby with a Godfather in the wings.  Harry is 
> the "chosen one".  He is the hope of the world. It was not about 
> taking him from Sirius; it was about saving the world.  And if DD 
> says that putting him with the Dursleys was the only way to keep 
> Harry safe to grow up whole and pure, then I believe him. It was 
the 
> *only* way. (And by extension, if JKR says, since it is the way 
she 
> wrote it, that Harry at the Dursleys was the only way, I believe 
her 
> too.)

Alla:

Well, I am glad you do. :) As you can see I don't. As a matter of 
fact, can anybody refer me to the quote where it is said that blood 
protection was the **only** way? Safest in Dumbledore mind, yeah.

The only way, not sure.

 
JMO,

Alla