More thoughts on the Cloak
justcarol67
justcarol67 at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 21 19:16:34 UTC 2006
No: HPFGUIDX 158581
tk wrote:
>
> First time poster - pls forgive any duplicate and/or crazy thoughts.
>
> "Your father left this in my possession before he died"
>
> JKR noted that there is a significant - even crucial answer.
> Therefore, I do not think there is any way this was given to DD for
> even just a mission for the Order. As noted, Mad Eye had two -
> depending on the length of time owned, the Order would have already
> had access to them for use. Also, there is no indication that DD
> ever let the cloak out of his possession.
>
> Making a little assumption on my part - I read this literally to
mean that James left it with DD specifically, not just any member of
the Order or his best friend, Sirius, etc. etc... Since LV was afraid
of DD and DD resides within the (almost) impenetrable walls of
Hogwarts, the IC was meant to be SAFE. Therefore, James knew this
particular IC was special and that the only person who could take care
of it was DD. This indicates the cloak is even more important than
initially thought.
>
> If it was meant to be kept safe, it could only mean that LV was
after it for a particular reason. Since he was in the process of
creating his Horcruxes - there is the possibility that DD and James
discovered that the IC was a relic of the Four Founders. <snip>
Carol responds:
Hi, tk, and welcome to the group. I agree that James left the cloak
with Dumbledore for safekeeping though I'm not going to join the
discussion about the cloak being "special." I don't think voldemort
knew about the cloak, and I think the Gryffindor relic he was after is
the Sword of Gryffindor, which could only be obtained by killing
Dumbledore. (We know that James is not descended from Godric
gryffindor, but JKR has said that we ought to be looking at
Dumbledore's family, which, along with his owning Fawkes, leads me to
believe that *he's* the Heir of Gryffindor--and the owner of the
cottage in Godric's Hollow.)
I do want to point out, however, that the real Alastor Moody probably
didn't have two cloaks when he was working for the Order the first
time around. In OoP, he owns a second Invisibility Cloak because Barty
Jr. left his (the one that was used to conceal him for twelve years
and that he used to hide his father's body before he Transfigured it
into a bone) in the real Moody's magical trunk. Harry sees it there
when Dumbledore is opening the seven levels of the trunk in GoF. (Of
course, Sturgis Podmore is arrested and Moody's better cloak iss
confiscated, so he's back down to one rather quickly.)
Still, I agree that the original Order wouldn't have needed James's
cloak if they had Moody's and that it probably never left Dumbledore's
possession once James left it with him. I'm guessing that he was
keeping it safe for Harry--or for James, if he survived. Possibly
Dumbledore was trying to be sure that James stayed hidden once he had
suggested the Fidelius Charm idea. (He didn't know that James was an
Animagus, of course, or no doubt he'd have advised James not to sneak
out as a stag, either--though probably James would realize on his own
that it was unwise to call attention to himself by appearing as a stag
anywhere in modern Britain. His Animagus form, unlike Padfoot's and
Wormtail's, was rather conspicuous.)
Carol, not denying that the cloak could be special but not convinced
that it is, either
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