In defense of DD WAS musings on Dumbledore - Even Longer/Sirius

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No: HPFGUIDX 158723

> Julie:
<BIG SNIP>
> Whatever. (And I utilize "whatever" in the California/USA manner 
of 
> signifying frustration and resignation). McGonagall *does* in  
fact say
> it, and the passage was referenced in an earlier post. I just 
don't  want
> to look it up right now. (Frustration makes me tired and lazy 
too ;-)  And
> I don't even consider her words "hearsay" since I can't imagine 
JKR  would
> have put the passage in if it wasn't to be taken seriously. I am 
sorry  this
> debate has made you think even less of Dumbledore. I can't think 
how  it
> has, but I rest my case.
>  
> Julie, tired... 
> 

Alla:

I looked it up myself and actually, no she does not. I mean it is 
implied, but even as she says it can be IMO interpreted a bit 
differently. And she certainly does not say that Dumbledore told her 
that James told him that so I totally consider them hearsay, but 
even if one does not, IMO it is not 100% clear that James informed 
DD that Sirius is a secret keeper.

Here it goes:


"So Black was the Potters' Secret-Keeper?" whispered Madam Rosmerta.

 

"Naturally," said Professor McGonagall. "James Potter told Dumbledore

that Black would die rather than tell where they were, that Black was

planning to go into hiding himself... and yet, Dumbledore remained

worried. I remember him offering to be the Potters' Secret-Keeper

himself."

 

"He suspected Black?" gasped Madam Rosmerta.

 

"He was sure that somebody close to the Potters had been keeping

You-Know-Who informed of their movements," said Professor McGonagall

darkly. "Indeed, he had suspected for some time that someone on our 
side

had turned traitor and was passing a lot of information to

You-Know-Who."

 

"But James Potter insisted on using Black?"

 

"He did," said Fudge heavily. "And then, barely a week after the

Fidelius Charm had been performed --" "Black betrayed them?" breathed

Madam Rosmerta.

 

"He did indeed. Black was tired of his double-agent role, he was 
ready

to declare his support openly for You-Know-Who, and he seems to have

planned this for the moment of the Potters' death. But, as we all 
know,

You-Know-Who met his downfall in little Harry Potter. Powers gone,

horribly weakened, he fled. And this left Black in a very nasty 
position

indeed. His master had fallen at the very moment when he, Black, had

shown his true colors as a traitor. He had no choice but to run for 
it

--"

 

"Filthy, stinkin' turncoat!" Hagrid said, so loudly that half the bar

went quiet." (PoA, Ch.10)

Alla:

Isn't this interesting? All that I can say with certainty if I 
consider Minerva's words to be absolutely correct is that James told 
DD that Black would rather die that betray him and that Black would 
go into hiding with them.

I do not see anywhere in this passage "James told DD that Sirius was 
their secret keeper". Is it referenced somewhere else?

Now, when Fudge opens his mouth, now we have the story of Black 
indeed being Secret Keeper, etc and we know that Fudge has an active 
imagination. 

Here is even more interesting piece of information almost right 
after this quote:



Filthy, stinkin' turncoat!" Hagrid said, so loudly that half the bar

went quiet.

 

"Shh!" said Professor McGonagall."



"I met him!" growled Hagrid. "I musta bin the last ter see him 
before he

killed all them people! It was me what rescued Harry from Lily an'

James's house after they was killed! jus' got him outta the ruins, 
poor

little thing, with a great slash across his forehead, an' his parents

dead... an' Sirius Black turns up, on that flyin' motorbike he used 
ter

ride. Never occurred ter me what he was doin' there. I didn' know 
he'd

bin Lily an' James's Secret-Keeper. Thought he'd jus' heard the news 
o'

You-Know-Who's attack an' come ter see what he could do. White an'

shakin', he was. An' yeh know what I did? I COMFORTED THE MURDERIN'

TRAITOR!" Hagrid roared.

 

Alla:

Funny, isn't it? When Hagrid goes to pick Harry up he does not know 
that Sirius is a Secret Keeper. Hmmmm, if Dumbledore knew wouldn't 
you think that he would have told Hagrid to stear clear from 
suspected traitor?

This is of course **not** hundred percent proof that Dumbledore did 
not know that Sirius was a secret keeper, but on the other hand 
makes one wonder.

If he truly believed that Sirius is a traitor, why didn't he told 
Hagrid to be ware if Sirius shows up? 

Alla