Blood Protection/Dumbledore and Harry/Snape and Harry at DADA

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 158870


> > Alla:
> > 
> > I am really hesitant to speak for a_svirn, but I believe that the 
> > point she is making is that if Harry is just as vulnerable 
outdoors, 
> > while living at Privet Drive, then it really does not matter 
where he 
> > is living. So, of course he would not be spending all his time 
> > indoors if protected by somebody else, but maybe those other 
people 
> > would be better choice as somebody who cares for Harry.
> 
> Pippin:
> With one exception, all of Voldemort's attacks on Harry have
> taken place at night. If this is not just a coincidence, then Harry
> needs protection most when it is dark. 

Alla:

This is actually a very cool point, Pippin. You mean that after dark 
he would usually stay inside? Those unexpected conclusions you make 
by connecting the dots the way I would not have done myself are the 
reason why I love your posts so much.

But did they really all occur at night? At the top of my head MoM 
occurred at night and Graveyard and Tower, but did PS/SS happen at 
night too?

In any event, I do not necessarily agree with your points below, but 
if I would that would be a cool support indeed. Your writings are 
always entertaining and intellectually stimulating, they make me 
think about canon in different way. Thanks!

 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > No, actually, I am not sure if anything in canon contradicts the 
> > premise that DE indeed could touch Harry there ( although of 
course I 
> > can forget something). Voldemort says that he could not touch 
Harry 
> > there, not his DE.
<SNIP>

> Pippin:
> Voldemort says, "Not even I can touch him there." Dumbledore
> says that he had to see to Harry's protection with regard to the
> surviving DE's, not just Voldemort himself. So while we haven't
> seen it demonstrated, both Voldemort and Dumbledore seem to
> believe it will work against DE's.

Alla:

Right, Voldemort's quote is the one I was referring too and I 
interpret not even I can touch him there as "not even such great 
wizard as me can do it". Where is the part that DE cannot do it 
either?

 
> > Alla:
> > 
> > Ooooo, that would actually dissolve lots of my doubts, if you 
could 
> > refer me to the quote that says that blood protection is the 
**only** 
> > mean by which Harry could be protected. <SNIP>
> 
> Pippin:
> "Your mother's sacrifice made the bond of blood the strongest
> shield I could give you." 
> 
> Of course there are other means of protection -- there had better
> be because the bond of blood protection runs out when Harry turns
> seventeen. But none of them are as strong as the bond of blood.

Alla:

Yes, precisely, he does not say that this is the only one, he says 
that it is the strongest. He is probably sincere, I just want to see 
it in action.


Pippin: 
> Dumbledore trusts it  not least because he  believes this is
> where Voldemort's knowledge of magic is  weakest.  I think there's
> canon that he's right. When Voldemort talks about the Privet Drive 
> protection in the graveyard, he says that Dumbledore 
> arranged it. He does not appear to realize that it is  strong 
because 
> of Lily's sacrifice.
> 
> He may believe it is weaker now that Dumbledore is dead, in which
> case he could be in for a nasty surprise!


Alla:

It is very possible, but don't you see what may follow from this 
argument? The reason why Dumbledore may have chosen this form of 
protection for Harry is because Voldemort does not quite get this 
type of magic, **not** because there is nothing else out of there.

Dumbledore banked on this magic, because he may think that Voldemort 
is not a pro in it, etc and he is most likely correct, but because of 
that it is also possible that he did not look any further for other 
protections.


> <cut>
> > Potioncat:
> > Yeah, that's right. But why did JKR tell us so many times that 
> ghosts 
> > are transparent? And why did Snape ask the difference between 
> ghosts 
> > and Inferi? They don't seem anything alike.
> 
> Quick_Silver:
> Yeah they really aren't that alike at all. But I wonder if that's 
> put of the reason Harry has a little trouble at first with the 
> question...because they seem to just *be* different Harry's never 
> had to put words to the difference before. Or it could simply be a 
> stupid question Snape asked to shame Harry for talking in class.

Alla:

Quick Silver, I agree with you, except for the **stupid question** 
part. I mean, I do think that Snape asked question not expecting 
Harry to answer, but for some reason I think that somebody in book 7 
will have to figure out whether they encountered a ghost or inferi. I 
wish I can speculate what those circumstances will be, but have no 
clue.

Quick_silver:
> In my *personal* opinion Snape comes of the worse for that scene. 
> First he asks a rather suspect question (it comes across as an 
> almost pointless question to me...making me wonder on Seamus's 
> intelligence or lack there of) and then derides what seems to be a 
> perfectly answer by comparing Harry to a child. When Ron points out 
> that Harry's answer is legit (and mocks Snape's answer) Snape then 
> attacks Ron's apparation skills without even explaining why his, 
> Snape's, answer is better. As the old saying goes
ask a stupid 
> question, get a stupid answer. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

Well, yeah, but what is new, really? The arguments were made in the 
past that if Harry would only pay attention in potions and will 
answer correctly, Snape will get off his back.

Here we see Harry answer correctly and what Snape does? As you said 
mocks him...again.

JMO,

Alla