I HAD A DREAM OR HOW I REALIZED THAT I MAY HAVE BEEN WRONG./ PART 2 sort of

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 167108

> Magpie:
> I guess what I'm saying is that I do think AK is a big deal, but 
not 
> in the sense that it's like a demonic thing that a good person 
can't 
> use. It's just a big deal because it's the desire to end a life. So 
> if there's some justified reason for ending a life-and don't ask me 
> what that is, but I'm speaking hypothetically-then it's a big deal 
> for the "good" person to do it, but they still might do it. 

Alla:

Oh. Okay. I guess we do disagree about the degrees of badness of 
Avada Kedavra then. I guess to me in the Potterverse, and again I can 
obviously be wrong, but this is how I read this, the good person 
would never use AK, unless maybe in self-defense or under duress and 
even then IMO would pay a price for that. So, I get that you are 
saying that this is a big deal for you as well, but from what you 
described for me it is much worse, it seems (the use of AK).

Now, of course if Snape is DD!M and killed Dumbledore on his orders, 
then obviously I am wrong. But the fact that we had not seen any of 
the good guys use AK makes me think that among other things.

Magpie:
I 
> wouldn't be shocked to learn that those times when Moody tried to 
> take people in alive and couldn't he used the AK. So it's kind of, 
> to me, that the real question is "Would DD ever kill or kill 
someone 
> as part of his strategy?" and there I think maybe he would, and if 
> he were going to do that AK wouldn't necessarily be the worst way--
> it might just be the most honest.

Alla:

Yes, of course it is possible that Moody used it, although my bet on 
self defense if he did, since it is already said that he tried to 
bring DE in alive.

And DD killing someone, well, no I do not believe he would. I think 
that "defeated" (this is the word, yes?) Grindelwald is on that card 
for a reason.

I believe that the fact that DD never mentions the possibility of 
killing Voldemort with AK to Harry in that scene Anne quoted is also 
there for a reason. Wouldn't that be a good time for JKR to stick in 
the hint something along the lines - Hey, Harry, **any** killing 
method is good for Voldemort? And still she did not.

I can be wrong of course. 

Magpie: 
> Like, if someone needed to be put out of their misery because they 
> were being slowly killed by poison (not saying that's DD in the 
> scene--just creating a hypothetical) so taht it was truly a mercy 
> killing, I think a good person might use an AK and not feel they 
had 
> to kill the person by some other means. But I could be wrong about 
> that in canon. 

Alla:

Well, that is the thing, isn't it? Would JKR or would she not explore 
the mercy killings as theme? If she would, then I can see you being 
right, if she would not, I believe that she would stick with the 
theme of AK being a very horrible thing ( as I see it of course, 
other people may not see it as horrible)

Magpie: 
> One reason, btw, that I think this is that it doesn't seem like 
> JKR's style to go that way, with the emphasis being on the magic 
> rather than what the magic is symbolizing. 
> 
>

Alla:

Eh? I lost you in this paragraph. You do not think that it is  JKR 
style to go what way? That AK is horrible or that is not?

Because it seems to me that AK symbolising intent to kill is very 
much in tact with the theme of what magic is symbolising.

JMO,

Alla.