The Prank in DH (LONG )

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No: HPFGUIDX 167331


> > Alla:
>  But still, aren't all statements of 
> > Sirius about Snape factually looking more and more correct? Dark 
> > Arts, etc.
> 
> wynnleaf,
> Hm..  Sirius said Snape ran with a group of people that included 
the
> Lestranges and some others that are, we later learn, much older 
than
> Snape.  Nor do we see any hint of friends in the Pensieve scene.  
Then
> in HBP it's rather obvious that there's a lot of animosity between
> Bella Lestrange and Snape.  So -- no collaborative evidence of any
> friendships except with Lucius.

Alla:

Except one can also say that his friendship with Lucius IS the 
support for that statement, because why would there be others in 
pensieve scene? They would have already left Hogwarts, no?

And we still see that he is friends with Malfoys and Narcissa does 
know how to get to his house and Bella as well in HBP. So, no IMO 
there is plenty of hints that this statement is likely to be true.


wynnleaf:
> Sirius says Snape knew more curses at age 11 than 7th years.  Zero
> collaborative evidence.  All we have in possible support is one 
curse
> that Snape created 6 years later.  That doesn't collaborate 
anything
> about what he knew at age 11.

Alla:

There is of course that boy shooting flies, who may turn out to be 
Snape, no?


wynnleaf: 
> Sirius says Snape was up to his eyeballs in the Dark Arts. 
> Collaborative evidence?  One curse he invented in 6th year.  We 
also
> know he wrote a whole lot on his DADA OWL, but since DADA is 
Harry's
> best subject, we know that is no indication that a person loves the
> Dark Arts.

Alla:

Yes, to me Sectusemptra is a plenty, JKR IMO reveals Snape badness 
in small doses more and more and more every book.


> wynnleaf
> Where in the world do you get all those possibilities from?  I try 
to
> keep my possibilities and theories somehow tied to canon, but we 
have
> no hints at all that any of those alternatives above were even
> considered by anyone, even characters that hate Snape.  One might 
just
> as well add in "what if Snape was planning to blow up Hogwarts?" or
> "what if Snape wanted to get to the Shrieking Shack in a plan to
> destroy Hogsmeade?"  or "what if Snape hoped to release a werewolf 
to
> terrorize the countryside and maybe kill Dumbledore on the side?"  

Alla:

That is my point, I believe that there is much more unknown in Prank 
night, than known, that is a lot of speculation is inevitable IMO.

I already said why I believe that Snape may have learned who Remus 
was ( two essays) and I also believe I stated that I am speculating. 
I believe speculation about him trying to kill Remus is canon based, 
it is nothing more than canon based speculation though.

If  there is a tiny hint of Snape trying to blow up Hogwarts, then 
sure one can add that possibility as well :)



> > Alla:
> > 
> > Oh well, here we are having difference of opinion. What to you 
is 
> > the bad word in the stressful moment, to me is the hint ( not 
> > necessarily evidence, but a hint) that Snape shared Voldemort's 
> > philosophy, full stop. 
> 
> wynnleaf,
> Think so?  The odd thing is what James said in answer to Lily's
> question of "what's he ever done to you?"  James wants to impress
> Lily.  Now was the time for him to answer "Snape's up to his ears 
in
> Dark Arts," or "Snape hexes us all the time.  We're just 
retaliating."
>  or some other excuse that might placate Lily.  But no, James can't
> think of an excuse other than, "because he exists."

Alla:

I am afraid I disagree. I do not think that OOP was necessarily the 
time for James to confirm all bad things that Snape may have done as 
being up to his ears in DA. I think it may have been just too early 
to reveal that. Just as that have been too early to reveal that 
Snape sold prophecy couple and their baby to Voldemort, just as that 
have been too early to reveal that Snape created Sectusemptra, etc.

I think that *because he exists* can very nicely transform in to 
exact explanation of what Snape did, which may not have been 
revealed for plot purposes yet.

JMO,

Alla