Who was responsible for Sirius' death? ...

[dumbledore11214]

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> Dana:
> Actually to me DD explanation about Snape being surprised Harry 
still 
> believed Sirius was still a captive of LV, has everything to do 
with 
> the animosity between them. So to me it seems Snape told this to 
DD 
> to put the blame back with Harry because it was Harry's fault, he 
did 
> not trust Snape enough to look into things and thus letting go of 
it 
> and Snape truly believed Harry should have thought that highly of 
> Snape, that it would be only Snape and not Harry that would solve 
the 
> situation. To me it looks like he washes himself from blame or 
> responsibility for Harry state of mind at that moment. 
<SNIP>

Alla:

Now, that is an interesting point. I agree with you in a sense that 
this **is** Snape blaming Harry for what he should not have blamed 
Harry. But I am not sure that it has anything to do with 
practicalities of the situation. Snape putting blame on Harry 
shoulders here is disgusting, but it is so typical Snape to me, you 
know?

Hmmm, that temperature is still high, I think. Suppose Snape is 
loyal after all and he indeed did everything he could to salvage the 
situation. ( Please, it is not like I really believe that he is 
loyal and that he did everything he could to salvage the situation - 
I happen to find Neri's time calculating arguments to be extremely 
convincing, but that only works if Snape has his own interest in 
mind - paying off LID IMO. I am just saying that in case Neri is 
wrong, I do not see what else Snape could have done).

Right, so suppose he did everything he could, yes? Play with me :)
But the situation did not work out for the best, right? In a sense 
that Sirius is dead, etc. Let's pretend that Snape would feel bad 
that his fellow comrad in arms died :) ( No, I do not believe it 
either).

Okay, where I am going with all of this? I am trying to say that if 
Snape tried and failed, to me it is perfectly in his bitchy, grudge 
holding, sadistic character to blame Harry for that, as he always 
does IMO.

Whether it is because he wants to please Dumbledore ( 
competitiveness for his attention) or just enjoys Harry being in 
pain, I do not know, I am just saying that to me Snape blaming Harry 
does not necessarily say anything about what Snape did and did not 
do right.


Dana:
> It is not like he couldn't have known Harry would not have trusted 
> him not even if Harry tries to alert him. With a response Snape 
gives 
> him like that who would have believed Snape would do anything. 
> 
> Harry is even desperate enough to want to try and allert Snape so 
> should have known this or at least I feel so. 
> <SNIP>


Alla:

Well, absolutely I completely agree with that. But that to me goes 
more to Snape creating animosity for five years, which absolutely if 
he is loyal I consider to be very big, very bad mistake based on 
which Occlumency lessons blew away, you know?

When does Snape ever admits his mistakes though? I just do not feel 
that his long terms mistakes should translate in him having psychic 
powers that night :) 

That is if he is loyal of course.


Dana:
> Snape never did anything between the time he (supposedly) checked 
in 
> on Sirius and the time he alerted the Order again. <SNIP> 
> Snape not only could have done more, he should have done more. 
> 
> If this was not written on purpose, then it was indeed sloppy 
writing 
> on JKR part. 

Alla:

Right, but this is more like Neri's argument, no? Time frame IS 
suspicious, yes. I am just saying that if it does not hold up, I am 
not sure I see anything else as suspicious.

JMO,

Alla