Who was responsible for Sirius' death? ...

[Zara]

No: HPFGUIDX 167677

> Neri:
> Who's talking about Snape as a teacher? *Agent* Snape was ordered by
> his supreme commander to make Harry voldy-proof, because this was
> critical for the war effort, and he failed.

zgirnius:
Dumbledore's survival prior to the start of HBP was equally crucial 
to the war effort, and Snape managed to save his life.

> Neri:
> As you say, the Order already knew Voldy was after the prophecy. You
> didn't need to be a hotshot agent to figure that much out, and
> security measures were taken against it. 

zgirnius:
This is not what I said. I did not say the Order *already* knew, I 
suggested it knew *because* Snape brought that information. 

> > zgirnius:
> > He did realize immediately what it was, it seems to me. He 
checked on 
> > Sirius anyway, which was only prudent.
> 
> Neri:
> If Snape realized immediately that an operation was underway, then 
he
> should have also realized that Sirius could be only a false bait to
> lure Harry to the DoM, and therefore the fact that Sirius was safe 
in
> HQ did not in any way mean everything was fine. 

zgirnius:
Right. And how do you know he assumed this? Everything was still fine 
as long as Harry stayed at Hogwarts. 

>Neri:
> If Snape realized that
> an operation was underway he should have alerted the whole Order at
> once, tell them to send people to the DoM (the DEs could be 
captured)
> and above all locate Harry as fast as possible.    

zgirnius:
Harry's location was known, he was at school. Dumbledore actually 
never explains what the contingency plans were for this eventuality, 
so the decision may not have been Snape's.

> > zgirnius:
> > The locations of the two Malfoys not in Ministry custody are 
unknown 
> > to us at present.
> >
> 
> Neri:
> Their location doesn't matter much. If Voldy wants them dead he'll
> find them like he found Karkaroff. This is why Dumbledore's plan was
> to fake their death, and Snape failed this too. 

zgirnius:
If their death was faked after Dumbledore's funeral, we don't know 
about it yet. It could have been.

> Neri:
> Everything is debatable if you want to debate it, but at the moment 
it
> appears Snape wanted the DADA job a lot.
> 

zgirnius:
Not to me. This has always seemed wrong to me.
 

> Neri:
> Well, lets say DDM!Snape seems considerably more hypothetical now 
than
> he seemed after OotP. In fact, even the term DDM was only invented
> after HBP. Before that it wasn't needed at all, as DDM!Snape was the
> consensus. 

zgirnius:
I wouldn't know about that. All I can say is that my very strong 
impression from my first read of HBP was DDM!.

> > Magpie:
> Whichever man 
> > Snape is, Dumbledore is in control of the plot in HBP. The final 
> > confrontation with Draco seems like something DD was working 
towards.
> > 
> 
> Neri:
> Indeed, the only way to have a DDM!Snape who isn't a complete 
failure
> is to have a Dumbledore who is a complete failure. But I doubt that
> what we're going to discover in DH is that Dumbledore was a complete
> failure.

zgirnius:
I disagree. Dumbledore appears to have been *right* about Draco on 
the level of making personal judgments. (He's not a killer). If what 
he said and did for Draco pays dividends in DH, that will be to 
Dumbledore's credit.